Another religous type refusing to do his job.

[Beachcomber]

God has retaliated by hiring a P.R. consultant ..............

[bertrus2]

They can claim to be non-religious all they want. Most terrorists, for example deny they are terrorists.

And non-smokers can claim to be non-smokers all they like but not smoking is really another way of smoking and not being religious is really being religious.

[Beachcomber]

"not smoking is really another way of smoking"

Eh ?

[tarrant]

Doesn't make any sense to me either.

But the facts remain, this organisation has an agenda:

To recruit supporters,

To isolate and ridicule opponents,

To establish a system of belief that your life will be better if you reject a god.

That life cannot be fully enjoyed if you don't.

These claims are without evidence and specious.

They are a belief.

So, the question remains, why should this organisation expound it's beliefs on the sides of buses while others should not?

[feral]

Jan 17, 2009 11:53:23 GMT Beachcomber said:

"not smoking is really another way of smoking"

Eh ?

Just another way of saying what Tarrant says is ridiculous

[bertrus2]

Doesn't make any sense to me either.

That should prevent you from making the absurd statement that being non-religious is a religion.

Humanism, as opposed to being simply non-religious, is a belief system. It's a non-religious belief system.

Claiming that non-religion and non-religious belief systems are religions is an attempt to say that I am as stupid as you. I demur.

The supernatural and the gods, public or private, are fictions.

[bertrus2]

So, the question remains, why should this organisation expound it's beliefs on the sides of buses while others should not?

That is another piece of specious nonsense. There is no ban, actual or proposed, on religious people making nonsensical statements on the sides of buses.

[peakman]

The presumed teaching of Jesus, as laid out in the Gospels, seems to be, that if you wish to follow him and his teachings, you will exercise tolerance at all times, you will not judge others. What he taught seems to me to be almost, if not total, Buddhist, the path to self knowledge. But of course that is not how it has come down to us in this day and age.

[tarrant]

Jan 17, 2009 15:43:51 GMT feral said:

Just another way of saying what Tarrant says is ridiculous

Why thank you feral.

Interesting that you have joined with insult in place of argument brigade.

Jan 17, 2009 15:45:59 GMT bertrus2 said:

That should prevent you from making the absurd statement that being non-religious is a religion.

I didn't make that statement.

The claim that this is non-religious came from someone else, probably you.

But this is religion pretending to be rationale.

It is based upon a belief system, namely that your life will be better if you reject a god.

Jan 17, 2009 15:49:33 GMT bertrus2 said:

That is another piece of specious nonsense. There is no ban, actual or proposed, on religious people making nonsensical statements on the sides of buses.

Again, I didn't suggets there is or should be.

I was responding to an earlier comment.

[cobblers]

Jan 17, 2009 15:49:33 GMT bertrus2 said:

So, the question remains, why should this organisation expound it's beliefs on the sides of buses while others should not?

That is another piece of specious nonsense. There is no ban, actual or proposed, on religious people making nonsensical statements on the sides of buses.

Clearly Bertrus. I have to agree with you wholeheartedly there. Only last year there was an 'Islam means peace' campaign.

[feral]

Why thank you feral.

Interesting that you have joined with insult in place of argument brigade.

Ecccccctuarley ..I was just pointing out to Beachy what Betrus meant .I've kept my opinion to meself

[tarrant]

Understood Feral.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Libby]

At the end of the day there will be adverts on buses, billboards in railway stations, bus depots, airports etc., we don't have to look at them or read them. The same goes for the bus and train drivers. Just because they drive these vehicles the passengers don't automatically think the adverts are the drivers' beliefs. It's all very petty, and today people are far too touchy about issues. Live and let live etc.

[tarrant]

I tend to agree with that Libby.

[avieder]

Shalom everybody.
I tried to follow the 70 odd posts... As usual Tarrent misunderstood my posts though in #42 I think he (she?) is stating to see the light.
Silkbreez, Democracy and feral - I thank you.

My meaning is that in our society you can have different beliefs and practices than the general public but you do not have the "right" to infringe them into the public domain.

As long as England is a declared Christian country Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gays can practice within their communities. If they want to extend to the public domain they should ask for permission (As the issue of the "ERUV" or the calling of the Muazin that were discussed at length on MSN)

The right of the bus driver to practice his belief in G-d is not less but more than the right of any group to undermine the basic principle of the hosting nation.

By the same principle: Do not drink alcoholic stuff in public in Muslim countries etc.

In short: Thumbs up to the driver and a loud BOO to the narrow minded "Liberal" fools

[voice]

It seeks to recruit supporters.

It seeks to isolate and ridicule opponents.

There is no evidence for this claim. It is simply a belief.


Looks me Tarrent you must belive all footy fans view their teams as religious organisiation as what you said can easily be appied to them.
This has long been a tactic in the rear guard action the religious have been fighting (and loosing) for decades, by attempting to paint the rational and the logic as being a religion they then go on to say your belief system is not as valid as mine. Its crap of cause, but they still peddle it.
Again not having an immaginarry friend and not needeing nd immaginarry friend is not a religious statment its a standoint, and this does not change just cos the religous types cant accept that more and more peole do not need myth and superstition to frame their existance.

[fastkat]

he right of the bus driver to practice his belief in G-d is not less but more than the right of any group to undermine the basic principle of the hosting nation.

You are the fool. His occupation is to drive buses, not to promote his god damn religion. Where does it end? He refuses to let Muslims, or gays or Jews on his bus? Give a sermon over the tannoy system? Handing out religious literature?

What his religious beliefs are should have nothing to do with carrying out his job.

[voice]

As long as England is a declared Christian country Jews, Muslims, Atheists, Gays can practice within their communities

When did being gay become a religion, or do you agree with that Israli MP who recently said gays cause earthquakes Avi, and that basicly all gays are gay out of some choice or belife in the joys of bumsex

[fastkat]

As long as England is a declared Christian country

This is meaningless to the extent of being laughable.

Less than 7% of the UK population bother to practise the religion i.e. go to church regularly, so it is a bit rich to claim that especially when most of the churches are virtually empty, many ending up as flats, mosques or just rotting away.

[norfolkdumpling]

I bet no bus comany would dare have "There is probably no Allah" on their buses!