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Post by flatandy on Sept 23, 2019 20:25:28 GMT
Well, here's the thing. It's been suggested that this is what the whistleblower complaint contains. Therefore it's a pertinent question. The fact that the Whitehouse is refusing to pass on the whistleblower complaint - despite being legally obliged to do so - means it absolutely can't be discounted. That is why obstruction of justice is such a big issue.
So, the hypothetical question - would it be utterly egregious - is pertinent in the way that, say, asking if it would be a travesty had Trump followed through on a fart while meeting Kim Jong-un is not pertinent.
Are you (and our various right-wing extremists) still unwilling to answer the question?
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Post by flatandy on Sept 23, 2019 20:26:53 GMT
A hypothetical is weak sauce? Do you really not understand what a hypothetically is? Yes, it's not factual. Anyway, you clearly are an idiot, because you still seem to be drowning under a tsunami of basic comprehension problems.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 23, 2019 20:51:12 GMT
That you're projecting in the manner of a dotty old lady?
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Post by flatandy on Sept 23, 2019 21:26:23 GMT
If you're too scared or too stupid to answer the question on the hypothetical, what is your opinion on what Trump has already said that he's done: which is to ask a foreign power to interfere in domestic elections?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 24, 2019 4:35:30 GMT
What question? The whole lefty approach to Trump is a fevered group frot of spiteful, idiotic innuendo and insinuation. I see on another thread that he's being up for antisemitism.
I'm no fan of the bloke, but it's quite obvious why he's in power and why he'll win again: the opposition are such weaklings.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 24, 2019 4:55:33 GMT
Well, two questions now: the one in the post immediately preceding yours, and the hypothetical that you're so upset about.
You seem to be following the Senate Republicans' line: just deflect rather than answer. You don't want to say that it's wrong, in case Trump did it; but you don't want to say that it's fine, because that would have you allowing all kinds of horrors.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 24, 2019 5:12:32 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2019 6:23:00 GMT
Have you actually read your link?
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Post by whitewine on Sept 24, 2019 8:51:19 GMT
There's a new political controversy in the US - involving Donald Trump, foreign nationals, questions about legal and ethical behaviour, and allegations against a political rival. This feels a bit like déjà vu from 2016, with Russia, then-candidate Trump and Hillary Clinton, but it's a new country (Ukraine) and a new cast of characters (Joe Biden and his son Hunter). Mr Trump is still right smack in the middle, of course. The story can be difficult to follow, so here are some answers to the most pressing questions. Why is this important?Mr Trump's most ardent critics accuse him of using the powers of the presidency to bully Ukraine into digging up damaging information on a political rival, Democrat Joe Biden. Meanwhile, Mr Trump and his supporters allege the former vice-president abused his power to pressure Ukraine to back away from a criminal investigation that could implicate his son, Hunter. Mr Biden is the front-runner for the Democratic nomination to take on Mr Trump next year. In other words, it is nothing less than the White House at stake. Where does this row stem from?Mr Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky had a phone conversation on 25 July this year. The US president is alleged to have pressed his Ukrainian counterpart to investigate former Vice-President Biden. Mr Trump may have also discussed the $250m (£201m) in military aid Congress approved for Ukraine - aid that the Trump administration had delayed releasing until mid-September. The Washington Post and other US media say Mr Trump told his acting chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, to hold back the aid at least a week before the phone call. Has Mr Trump confirmed any of this?Sort of. Mr Trump said that he spoke to Mr Zelensky about the problem of corruption and also about Mr Biden and son Hunter among other issues. It was a "nice conversation" on the phone - a "perfect" call. The US gives aid to Ukraine so "we want to make sure that country is honest," he added. On Twitter, Mr Trump has been more blunt, saying the controversy was created by Democrats and the "Crooked Media". He has also tacitly questioned the "supposed" whistleblower's patriotism. LINK
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Post by flatandy on Sept 24, 2019 13:37:39 GMT
What is it that you'd like me to join you in speculating about, exactly? You really are both a complete idiot, aren't you? You don't even understand what "speculating" means.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 24, 2019 17:54:03 GMT
I do, and I wish you'd stop confusing it with established facts.
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Post by Marshall on Sept 24, 2019 17:58:44 GMT
The whistleblower business is so much "nothing" that it looks like impeachment is now looming for real.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 24, 2019 18:01:16 GMT
Trump now seems to have admitted withholding aid, too. He's just going to try and brazen it out. Which is why all his cheerleaders like Baloo were refusing to answer the question when it was hypothetical, so they can now say that it's absolutely fine.
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Post by jimboky on Sept 24, 2019 18:04:24 GMT
here we are just a little over a year from election, reps hold the senate and the dems want to do impeachment, there is less chance that Trump is removed then there is for me to win the $100m lotto this week, Clinton won re-election in part cause of failed impeachment,
they must be disparate and think there is little chance for the election to go their way
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Post by Marshall on Sept 24, 2019 18:09:09 GMT
Because lying about a blowjob > treason. You don't care about corruption or the rule of law, just admit it.
The only thing that matters to you is whether the person is an R or a D.
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Post by jimboky on Sept 24, 2019 18:12:40 GMT
what treason, talking to another leader of state? based on he said he heard a friend heard something? yeah right, and what about Biden?
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Post by flatandy on Sept 24, 2019 18:14:55 GMT
Biden is a sideshow. Trump pressured a foreign government into interfering in a US election. Trump appeared to decide to use US foreign policy as a direct electoral tool, possibly in direct contradiction of Congress.
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Post by Marshall on Sept 24, 2019 18:15:34 GMT
Oh, all he did was talk to another head of state? lol
He asked him to investigate a political opponent for his own benefit.
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Post by Marshall on Sept 24, 2019 18:16:41 GMT
Biden is a sideshow. Trump pressured a foreign government into interfering in a US election. Trump appeared to decide to use US foreign policy as a direct electoral tool, possibly in direct contradiction of Congress. Doesn't even matter if no quid pro quo was involved.
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Post by jimboky on Sept 24, 2019 18:17:52 GMT
this couldn't be working out better for Trump if he planned it, he gets to pounce on Biden, the dems will defend Biden if for no other reason then Trump is attacking him, causing Biden to get another surge in polls keeping him in the race longer, and maybe getting him through the primary, Trump's dream
impeach away
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