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Post by happyhammerhead on Apr 23, 2024 10:18:23 GMT
Ah, the 'not as bad as Hitler' defence.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Apr 23, 2024 11:02:28 GMT
Ah, the 'not as bad as Hitler' defence. Indeed - another of baloo's sightings of a rodent of the Sciuridae family.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 23, 2024 11:08:14 GMT
Hey, it's not like he set out to create the policy, logistics and manpower to murder 20B Jews, gypsies, homos and disabled folks, is it? This is quite unhinged.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 16:03:33 GMT
Is it, or are you struggling with rhetorical devices again?
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Post by flatandy on Apr 23, 2024 16:10:28 GMT
You seem to be struggling with the rhetorical device as your rhetorical device is sh*t. Come up with better rhetorical devices.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 16:12:59 GMT
Pfft. It worked just fine.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 23, 2024 16:30:53 GMT
What was the rhetorical point you were trying to make? It seemed to be that "it's OK to cause tens of thousands of deaths through ineptitude and apathy", but that would be daft. So your rhetorical device is sh*t. Come up with better.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 23, 2024 16:44:12 GMT
Living memory. Moggs brought it up.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 28, 2024 10:30:52 GMT
"The BBC has removed an edition of Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg from iPlayer following a complaint about comments made by Chris Packham.
Toby Young, the journalist, claimed that Packham made “false and defamatory” allegations about him.
In a panel discussion about carbon emissions on last Sunday’s episode, Packham referred to Young’s Daily Sceptic blog as the “Daily Septic”.
He alleged that the website “is basically put together by a bunch of professionals with close affiliations to the fossil fuel industry”.
The comments went unchallenged by Kuenssberg, who later tweeted the clip from her X account. The BBC Politics account also shared it, and at the last count it had been viewed more than 845,000 times."
I hope this is the last we'll see of that weirdo.
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Post by mids on Apr 28, 2024 10:50:02 GMT
I hope Toby Young, founder of the Free Speech Union, sues his arse off.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 28, 2024 13:39:28 GMT
I'd like Young to prove there are never been any affiliation between anyone who's ever worked on his website and any fossil fuel company.
It's also weird that using a gag name for a sh*t website as an interviewee is someone grounds for BBC censorship. The BBC really is a tool of right wing tools. Time to shut it down.
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Post by voice on Apr 28, 2024 14:34:41 GMT
I hope Young does try and sue him, and looses big, getting laughed out of court with cost awarded against him.
Whiney little turd of a man.
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Post by unclejunior on Apr 30, 2024 9:26:16 GMT
Do you still watch QT -?here’s a piece about in the DT by Charlie Moore ….
STARTS Last Thursday, I appeared on BBC Question Time. On being told, when invited, that the venue would be the Bernie Grant Arts Centre in Tottenham, I had asked how the studio audience would be selected.
Bernie Grant was the local Labour council leader in 1985 when rioters in Broadwater Farm, Tottenham, murdered a policeman, Pc Keith Blakelock. He declared that “the youth think they gave the police a bloody good hiding”. The area retains its reputation for militancy. The balance of the studio audience is often a problem with Question Time. I suspected it would be particularly so in Tottenham.
The BBC reassured me: “There is an audience producer and 2 audience researchers whose role is to speak to and vet every member of the audience including in-depth social media checks to ensure that they are who they say they are and hold the views which they claim (which includes excluding extremist views). This … should mean the audience is more representative than your last appearance.”
Arriving, we were greeted by a small but noisy mob of pro-Gaza activists, who targeted a fellow-panellist, Wes Streeting. He and I arrived together, and security moved us fast to the door, but not before the apparent ringleader, a man with an enormously loud voice, yelled at Mr Streeting for supporting “genocide” and being a traitor to his gay sexuality (on the trans issue, I think). Mr Streeting remained calm and we passed inside. The beating of protesters’ drums outside continued through the evening.
The panel was as respectable as Mr Streeting – a Liberal Democrat MP, Munira Wilson, the policing minister, Chris Philp, and the amusing Lord Adebowale, chairman of the NHS Confederation. Fiona Bruce, 60 that day, presided pleasantly. There was no disorder.
What there was, however, was the most unrepresentative audience unanimity. About 30 people, plus the three whose questions were called, must have spoken on air. Without, I think, a single exception, they all expressed Left-wing views. For them, everything was the Government’s fault for not spending enough money. Rishi Sunak was a billionaire (he isn’t, actually) and so understands nothing. There should be no illegal immigration controls, let alone sending people to Rwanda. Everyone who wants a sick note should have one. The place was almost literally an echo chamber.
I was not personally ill-treated, but I did find it uphill work. The audience was so sure of its views that it was not interested in discussion. On rents, for example, I pointed out that if no-fault evictions are banned (the current crazy plan of Michael Gove), many landlords will leave the market, so rents will rise. This obvious truth seemed part-repulsive, part-incomprehensible to those present.
The main victim was not me, but the audience back home. Presumably they want a neutral atmosphere in which to hear a range of views. Most will be unpolitical and therefore uninterested in electioneering and slogans.
When I complained afterwards to the friendly staff, it was explained that the majority of those chosen had told the audience selectors they had voted Tory at the 2019 election. This prompts two questions. One is, “If they were a majority, why did you choose them? I thought you wanted party balance, not a one-party majority.” The other is, “Do you think they were telling the truth? If you cannot tell, don’t you need better methods of selection?”
Unfortunately, studio audiences today are the real-life equivalent of the Twittersphere – a space dominated by politicised people who want a fight. People of more small-c conservative views are usually shyer than the Left, certainly in the politically skewed BBC milieu. Which small-c conservative person would want to pipe up in a studio audience like last week’s? The problem reinforces itself.
This issue will become hotter in the coming general election debates as party supporters try to pack the audiences. If studio audiences are unrepresentative, how can the BBC perform its impartiality function? Should we opt for French-style election debates with no studio audience, or select to get a balance of views rather than nominal party allegiance?
It wasn’t like that in Sir Robin’s day Before coming to Tottenham, I checked, and found that I first appeared on Question Time in 1987. I tried to compare then and now.
Then, there were only four panellists and far fewer audience interventions. Now there are five, and so much audience participation that the number of subjects covered falls (only three last week). The old show was pacier.
Forty years ago, panellists had dinner together beforehand, as still happens on Radio 4’s Any Questions? This made us feel friendly and relaxed. Now it is just a dreary snack, sometimes not even seated.
At that time, the presenter, Sir Robin Day, would sit with the guests at dinner and jolly us along. Now no one really acts as host or introduces panellists to one another. After the show, Robin Day would ring up or write to thank panellists. Today, nothing like that happens and you barely meet the chairman off air.
As the programme’s audiences have fallen, it has degenerated. Nowadays, the most important public figures do not want to take part.
One thing, however, has not changed in nearly 40 years – the fee. I think I got £150 then. I get £150 now, which works out, given the hours of preparation and travelling involved, at roughly the minimum wage. Not much for quite a bleak experience. ENDS
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Post by mids on Apr 30, 2024 9:41:12 GMT
I read that earlier. Brilliant article. Utterly accurate.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Apr 30, 2024 11:35:04 GMT
Such is the massive gulf opened up BY THE TORIES THEMSELVES between their views and those of the public, whose "lived experience" is not what the Moores, Sunaks et al would have you believe.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 30, 2024 13:47:00 GMT
I can't remember ever watching a QT when it wasn't puffed full of right wing views, while right wingers whined about it not being right wing enough.
I see that the line up included:
A Tory Minister One of the most right-wing members of the now pretty right-wing Labour Party A member of a party who was last in government in coalition with the Tories Charles Moore, extreme right-wing knob Someone from the House of Lords
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Post by moggyonspeed on Apr 30, 2024 13:56:43 GMT
In unrelated news, I see that The Torygraph is up for sale (again), the Government having stepped in earlier this year to block its sale to an Abu Dhabi-backed consortium. The real doozy here is that Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer said she had "raised concerns about the potential impact of this deal on free expression and accurate presentation of news".
You wot? The Torygraph and free expression are increasingly strange bedfellows - witness Charles Moore's complaining of a QT audience last week that had the temerity to disagree with his world view.
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Post by voice on Apr 30, 2024 14:22:11 GMT
Whiney Charles Moore just can't conceive how out of touch he and the rest of the far right are.
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Post by mids on Apr 30, 2024 14:30:15 GMT
Yet again the far left show that they don't know what free expression is.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Apr 30, 2024 14:40:28 GMT
And the Tories do? Sheesh - if you want anything from a Tory, they'll charge you for it. This includes "expression".
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