So what's Brexit really about?

[Deleted]

Migrationwatch is the part I disagree with.

You do understand that 'reality' isn't the internet, do you?

[perrykneeham]

Okay, so you are prepared to discount established facts like say, gravity, because you dont like who mentioned it?

Okay. How old are you again?

[Deleted]

There you go again. Remember a couple of years back I pointed out that most of the bilge you offered was a direct reference to your own conduct? For what it's worth, your 'established facts' come from a racist publication which has been ripped apart so many times it's not worth considering as a source of information.

Find me another one in your cyberworld. Your talk earlier of 'reality' is a bit rich.

[perrykneeham]

I barely remember what you just wrote but what do you disagree with about the existence of The Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme? An actual, factual thing.

[Deleted]

It's not though. You do understand that, don't you? ie., it doesn't reflect reality. It's something someone's dreamt up to prove a point: it's what migrationwatch does.

Anyway, unless you can come up with a valid link, I'm outa here.

[perrykneeham]

What? A link to an actual, factual thing?

Okay.

www.gov.uk/government/speeches/seasonal-agricultural-workers-scheme-and-the-food-processing-sectors-based-scheme

Tool.

[bertruss2]

The Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS) allows fruit and vegetable growers to employ migrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania as seasonal workers for up to six months at a time. It will close, as planned, at the end of 2013.

This is 2018. Workers from Bulgaria and Romania are in exactly the same position as all EU 27 workers. This will continue until 2021. From 2021 horticultural employers will have a huge gap to fill. They will have nobody to pick their fruit and vegetables. The alternatives are that nothing will change because their will be a new special exception for foreign workers or an alternative arrangement will have to be found. In the first case, Brexit will be completely pointless. In the second case, there will be some worse alternative than the match between supply and demand without bureaucratic red tape.

[perrykneeham]

Mar 21, 2018 21:48:00 GMT bertruss2 said:

The Seasonal Agricultural Workers Scheme (SAWS) allows fruit and vegetable growers to employ migrant workers from Bulgaria and Romania as seasonal workers for up to six months at a time. It will close, as planned, at the end of 2013.

This is 2018. Workers from Bulgaria and Romania are in exactly the same position as all EU 27 workers. This will continue until 2021. From 2021 horticultural employers will have a huge gap to fill. They will have nobody to pick their fruit and vegetables. The alternatives are that nothing will change because their will be a new special exception for foreign workers or an alternative arrangement will have to be found. In the first case, Brexit will be completely pointless. In the second case, there will be some worse alternative than the match between supply and demand without bureaucratic red tape.

All made up.

[Deleted]

Mar 21, 2018 14:48:15 GMT perrykneeham said:

Have we imposed any restrictions on seasonal workers then?

This was your opening question.

You provided links which show a scheme to allow some in. What's your point?

Further, there's no mention of the thousands of others from the commonwealth and other countries who enter as students and then take up casual farm work - because it's not recorded.


And then this to Bert who's trying to conduct a reasonable discussion:

"Hahahaha. The law of supply and demamd. Hahahahaha!

You f**k**g idiot."

You do realise you're morphing into an oaf and a bore? Get a job - if anyone'll employ you.

[perrykneeham]

Oooooh. Get her!

Your spitefulness is usually a pretty accurate guage of how big a tit you've made of yourself, so I'm confident my work here is done.

[moggyonspeed]

Brexit is about ... open and fair trade, amongst other things.

Like, for example, De La Rue announcing that they have just lost the contract to print the new <insert favourite colour here> British passport to a French company.

Oh the irony that De La Rue's passport printing division is based in Gateshead - staunch Brexit territory from memory. Still, they're getting their country back, so cheers (or should that be à votre santé?) all round!

[mids]

Well under EU procurement rules, we had to allow companies from the EU to bid. Once we leave we'll be free to do what we want.

[moggyonspeed]

Agreed, and that includes procuring goods via single-tender action. Personally, I can't see how best taxpayer value is achieved by this, but if you want to pay through the nose for goods and services, then go for it.

Oh, and the "we'll be free to do what we want" argument cuts both ways. You do see that, don't you?

[mids]

Freedom to do what we want also including getting them made in China or Vietnam at half the price. Again, the freedom to choose.

[unclejunior]

THis just in from guido....
Twitter Remainers and a few protectionist Brexiteers seem to think the contract for blue passports going to a Franco-Dutch company is a bad thing. It seems like good news to Guido and anyone who believes in free trade. Remainers have spent the last 21 months claiming Brexit Britain would be an inward-looking nation and that trade with the EU would suffer. What better symbolism to dispel that nonsense than having the French and Dutch make our new blue passports? Remainers also lied that the new passports would cost an extra half a billion quid, despite there being no extra cost. In fact, it appears Gemalto won the contract by bidding to do it for £50 million less than their British rival. This is obviously a win for the taxpayer and should be welcomed by anyone who wants value for money. It is certainly odd to see Remainers like Tom Brake using jingoistic language about “foreign companies”. More evidence Britain will enjoy a strong trade relationship with Europe, despite Brexit…

[perrykneeham]

Funny how Bremoaners always default to the most negative and absurd alternative scenario. Single source rendering indeed. Goes on now BTW.

[bertruss2]

Mar 22, 2018 9:15:50 GMT mids said:

Well under EU procurement rules, we had to allow companies from the EU to bid. Once we leave we'll be free to do what we want.

Pay more for a worse product. Great news.

Free to pay big subsidies to 'British' carmakers (Tata, Nissan, Toyota, Volkswagen, BMW) to keep them from leaving the country. Free to pay more to EU seasonal workers to make up for the devaluation of the £. Free to lose 750 trade deals that EU members have with countries round the world. Free to do exactly the same amount of trade we do already with the USA. Or maybe go it alone, as only 15% of the size of the EU economy, and be screwed by America First Trump.

Every part of 'we'll be free to do what we want' is delusional. The 'we' excludes the Scots, the Northern Irish, the Londoners who were a majority for 'Remain'. Free by losing our rights as European citizens?? Free to do what 'we want' even if it's not possible?

[perrykneeham]

Mar 22, 2018 9:38:16 GMT perrykneeham said:

Funny how Bremoaners always default to the most negative and absurd alternative scenario. Single source rendering indeed. Goes on now BTW.

"Pay more for a worse product. Great news." Thick Bert.

[nobody]

Supply and demand, innit Bert?

[Deleted]

Mar 22, 2018 9:21:18 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Agreed, and that includes procuring goods via single-tender action. Personally, I can't see how best taxpayer value is achieved by this, but if you want to pay through the nose for goods and services, then go for it.

Oh, and the "we'll be free to do what we want" argument cuts both ways. You do see that, don't you?

The Dutch/French contract for the passports was £50million less.