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Post by marechal on Apr 2, 2024 19:41:39 GMT
That wasn't the ground floor. They were founded in 1993.
High-frequency trading can turn profits from one second to the next, but that doesn't have much bearing on the long-term performance of a stock in a good company.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2024 19:49:14 GMT
I think we're at cross-purposes. I'm not talking about frequency but opportunity to participate fully, or at all.
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Post by voice on Apr 2, 2024 20:13:42 GMT
I read a while ago computers trading is just as good if not better than actual people are at making money. What does that say about the system?
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Post by marechal on Apr 2, 2024 20:19:41 GMT
More than anything else, it says computers don’t make decisions based on emotions.
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Post by marechal on Apr 2, 2024 20:20:09 GMT
I think we're at cross-purposes. I'm not talking about frequency but opportunity to participate fully, or at all. How are people prevented from participating?
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2024 20:50:16 GMT
I think we're at cross-purposes. I'm not talking about frequency but opportunity to participate fully, or at all. How are people prevented from participating? They are prevented from participating - fully - by access to information that others have sooner. You can make an argument that proper institutional investors are often well ahead of the real-time info. It's a rigged market to some degree and therefore the opportunity to participate is limited.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 2, 2024 21:19:23 GMT
Long enough to exclude everyone without the right systems and access then. Not an open market. Eh? It’s really easy to have a trading platform. I think loads of Brits have stocks and shares ISAs for example.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 2, 2024 21:20:57 GMT
Because all profits are made in the span of a couple seconds? If you'd bought Nvidia stock 8-10 years ago you'd be up over 4,000% by now. It’s why I just follow Buffet’s advice and stick to ETF / Index Funds. I cannot be bothered to follow the industry carefully enough to try and pick the next big thing!
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 2, 2024 21:24:30 GMT
I read a while ago computers trading is just as good if not better than actual people are at making money. What does that say about the system? They have long shown that passively managed funds that track an index for example do either better or no worse then actively managed funds. Although not surprised computers would do better than people. You set them with an algorithm and the ability to analyse far larger quantities of data than people and it’s not surprising. It’s why robotrading is more and more popular.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 2, 2024 21:24:57 GMT
How are people prevented from participating? They are prevented from participating - fully - by access to information that others have sooner. You can make an argument that proper institutional investors are often well ahead of the real-time info. It's a rigged market to some degree and therefore the opportunity to participate is limited. You’re talking about insider trading?
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2024 21:51:21 GMT
Long enough to exclude everyone without the right systems and access then. Not an open market. Eh? It’s really easy to have a trading platform. I think loads of Brits have stocks and shares ISAs for example. Oh dear. A day late and a dollar short as usual.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2024 21:52:13 GMT
They are prevented from participating - fully - by access to information that others have sooner. You can make an argument that proper institutional investors are often well ahead of the real-time info. It's a rigged market to some degree and therefore the opportunity to participate is limited. You’re talking about insider trading? No, but in effect, yes. Insider trading is what they call it when they get caught.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 2, 2024 22:18:05 GMT
You’re talking about insider trading? No, but in effect, yes. Insider trading is what they call it when they get caught. So just insider trading then. I wonder if it’s as widespread as you think it it. The numbers who could potentially have relevant knowledge would be fairly small compared to the whole market.
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Post by marechal on Apr 2, 2024 23:10:10 GMT
Yeah, insider trading happens but not really enough to move the needle, otherwise they'd be telegraphing themselves.
Index funds and ETFs are great to buy and forget. But you can also buy stock in a company that looks promising and just put a stop order in, if the price goes below $x you sell automatically.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 3, 2024 1:42:31 GMT
Robotrading is fine until it hits a feedback loop. Then it can lose you squillions in a second. But too often it’s focused on the price of the tulip bulbs rather than their value and what actual return they give
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 3, 2024 6:41:30 GMT
No, but in effect, yes. Insider trading is what they call it when they get caught. So just insider trading then. I wonder if it’s as widespread as you think it it. The numbers who could potentially have relevant knowledge would be fairly small compared to the whole market. Don't be silly. There are those who have better information and those who have the advantage of time in hand, and there are those who have both. www.londonstockexchange.com/
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 3, 2024 7:49:15 GMT
I see that Sleepy Joe has continued the great American tradition of encouraging the Israelis in the killing of British soldiers .... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68711832
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 3, 2024 9:43:19 GMT
Looking at their vehicle, it seems to support Isreali claims that they're trying to minimise casualties. It may see counter-intuitive, given that all the occupants were killed, but that vehicle is remarkably intact. This suggests the use of some sort of kinetic energy missile, I think. No fire, windows intact etc.
Of course, the vehicle was almost certainly armoured (look at the window thickness) and the battle lock signage (although not much sign of actual battle locks).
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Post by mids on Apr 3, 2024 9:54:40 GMT
I imagine the Israelis will be world champions at putting a small missile dead on target with a minimum of fuss. They probably only need a small missile to kill everyone inside an SUV.
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Post by mids on Apr 3, 2024 9:56:47 GMT
Shame they've killed some Brits though. Tsk.
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