AI - is it just, you know, bollocks?

[ootlg]

That's like comparing a pterodactyl with an F16. Kafka's labyrinthine propositions were of human making, not the infinitely speedier AI. It's this that makes the potential of AI error more worrying.

[perrykneeham]

Is AI infinitely speedier? What's it achieved so far?

Really, you are the worried well. Even if you're not, there's fuckall you can do about it, if you believe it's that potent a threat.

Again, I won't be losing any sleep over it and I'm a man who worries about 30' sharks in 20' chlorinated freshwater swimming pools.

[ootlg]

Worried? What the f**k are you wittering on about? AI is faster than a group of fat old men sitting around a table arguing the odds. That's all.

[perrykneeham]

Depends on what's on offer ....

[voice]

Yeah, bollox and anything but intelligent

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65735769

If this is what is striking terror in the faint of heart, they need to get their big boy pants on and man the fcuk up.

[ootlg]

Real intelligence is of course the ability to transcend programming, not the clever use of it.

[rick49]

people are still missing the point. it's not about what it's capable of now right this second. it's about what it's capabilities will be down the road. google already said ai is showing signs of human reasoning. the creators of ai are worried and issuing warnings. should they be written off as luddites?

[perrykneeham]

"Google already said". Look, people are cleverer than software. If not, we deserve a to be boxed and buggered by our silicon masters. Frankly, it's not worth worrying yourself about, even if it were true.

[perrykneeham]

There's a lot in the media from former bosses or AI companies warning about AImageddon. That just confirms that it's shilling bollocks really.

A young man of my acquaintance told me today that he was offered £150k a year and a bonus to work in financial AI. 25 years old. Bloody hell.

[rick49]

Artificial intelligence could lead to extinction, experts warn

"The Centre for AI Safety website suggests a number of possible disaster scenarios:

AIs could be weaponised - for example, drug-discovery tools could be used to build chemical weapons (will instead of could)

AI-generated misinformation could destabilise society and "undermine collective decision-making"

The power of AI could become increasingly concentrated in fewer and fewer hands, enabling "regimes to enforce narrow values through pervasive surveillance and oppressive censorship"

Enfeeblement, where humans become dependent on AI "similar to the scenario portrayed in the film Wall-E"
www.bbc.com/news/uk-65746524

remember covid? we were admonished constantly to listen to those in the know, mainly fauci. (unless those in the know disagreed with fauci,,,then they were labled quacks and trumpsters) but regarding AI we shouldn't listen to those in the know?

"I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that." (2001: A Space Odyssey)

[rick49]

very good article. long read.

Don't Look Up
time.com/6273743/thinking-that-could-doom-us-with-ai/

couple of good points.

I. J. Good put it more succinctly: “Thus the first ultraintelligent machine is the last invention that man need ever make, provided that the machine is docile enough to tell us how to keep it under control."

"I’m often told that AGI and superintelligence won’t happen because it’s impossible: human-level Intelligence is something mysterious that can only exist in brains. Such carbon chauvinism ignores a core insight from the AI revolution: that intelligence is all about information processing, and it doesn’t matter whether the information is processed by carbon atoms in brains or by silicon atoms in computers. AI has been relentlessly overtaking humans on task after task, and I invite carbon chauvinists to stop moving the goal posts and publicly predict which tasks AI will never be able to do."

[perrykneeham]

"carbon chauvinism"

Okay, I'll stop you there. You're staring to sound like a trans loony now.

[perrykneeham]

These AI apocalypsists seem to be driven by some massive ego trip.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-65760449

[flatandy]

“AI has been relentlessly overtaking humans on task after task”

Really?

Apart from writing really crappy web pages which piss off the reader, and online chat assistants that can’t answer the question you’re asking, I am struggling to think of any that AI rather than, say, robots are taking over.

It’s worth noting that decades ago we were told that robots and technology would make humans all redundant, yet the data suggests we have less leisure time and are working harder.

But I’m totally in favour of AI taking over my job so I can piss off and do something fun instead. I fear it’s a long way off, and it’s not even as if my job is particularly difficult.

[ootlg]

AI is programming and quantities of programs programmed. If you consider there are ten trillion different permutations of just ten digits, the theatre of operation of any AI system is vast, so if there's a danger to humanity wouldn't it be down to human error in the programming? It's not as if a computer system can say, fuck this I'm going to become a trans hockey player or summat.

[rick49]

May 31, 2023 5:44:46 GMT perrykneeham said:

"carbon chauvinism"

Okay, I'll stop you there. You're staring to sound like a trans loony now.

we have big egos. we can't accept that there may be something superior to us. i think thats what they meant. thats why we deny the possibility of an intelligent machine.

[rick49]

so all the people working on AI and are most familiar with the technology are crackpots and conspiracy theorists? stephen hawking is a crackpot?

[ootlg]

He's dead.

[rick49]

May 31, 2023 14:27:06 GMT ootlg said:

He's dead.

thanks, but i knew that. just because he's dead means his warning should be ignored? he was one of the most brilliant minds in the last 100 years.

[flatandy]

Stephen Hawking was a theoretical physicist. He didn't work on AI. You understand that coding and doing n-dimensional maths are different things?