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Post by sweet soul on Jan 12, 2009 10:40:37 GMT
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Post by lala on Jan 12, 2009 15:07:05 GMT
Then if they have the audacity to attack us to defend themselves, we'll piss and moan about our victimhood to a bunch of complete fu*king retards, you know, stupid cnuts that will reflexively take our side, because they have always hated Indians anyway, long history of anti-Indianism in the culture, so hey what the f*ck, they get to hate American Indians openly for a while without being called f*cking Nazi's. Wonderful self description. How long did it take you to decide the current Israeli action was justified? 0.2 seconds? As for hatred, your the one spouting it: Nope, it's no secret I f**king hate arabs like poison, can't nuke mecca enough.  Nuke Mecca, Nuke Mecca, Nuky the Mecca! Yaaay! Remember? |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 12, 2009 16:02:35 GMT
Israel's aim is to cause terror. It's doing it by killing hundreds, deliberately tergetting civilians and all the means that support them, schools, electricty, water, government buiildings, the police.
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Post by sweet soul on Jan 12, 2009 16:10:55 GMT
I thought Hamas was causing the terror Bert. By making Israel defend itself by havin to go to war
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Post by dwad on Jan 12, 2009 16:12:01 GMT
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 12, 2009 17:06:27 GMT
"Unlike Hamas, who restrict their activities to hospitals:"
Obviously, the Qassam Brigades and other paramilitary forces of the Palestinian resistance are firing rockets at Israeli border towns to terorise the inhabitants. Equally obviously, actually killing hundreds of people and wrecking Gaza is many times worse than the threat posed to Israel.
In order to protect its citizens, Israel might have a) not broken the truce b) lifted the blockade of Gaza, required as a condition of the truce c) sought agreement on re-establishing a truce d) halted its colonisation of Palestine.
Instead, Israel chose to do what it's good at, use its American-supplied weapons to commit mass murder and destruction of Palestinian society.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 12, 2009 17:37:11 GMT
I do feel for the Gaza strip but Israel has had rockets lobbed at it for years See above - the rockets are vitually symbolic. Symbolic? Symbolic?! ROFL Such sensitive artistic souls in Gaza, letting off 'symbolic' rockets (although balloons or doves might have given out a more peaceful message). No, the rockets have a very real world significance and use. Israel pulled out of Gaza and how was this met? With an escalation of the use of terror. Obviously no electorate will tolerate being targeted randomly with munitions, so Israel waqs forced to act. Hamas knows this, which is why it did it - it knew that eventually it's rocket attacks would be met with air attacks Hamas and incursions into Gaza, necessarily - because of Hamas tactics again - causing civilian casualties. Lala you cannot possibly be so credulous and gullbile, can you? The rockets were 'symbolic' and not intended to provoke civilian deaths, leading to increased animosity towards Israel? Do me a favour! It's got bells on. |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 12, 2009 17:42:07 GMT
Bertrus, Israel didn't break the truce - Hamas did.
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Post by sweet soul on Jan 12, 2009 17:48:51 GMT
Maybe lala is a wind up. Cant believe hes for real!
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Post by cas on Jan 12, 2009 17:52:15 GMT
NY this is a terrible problem were every one plays their usual roles Israel reacts to Hamas, Palestinians get fanatic fighters on their behalf at the cost of never having a chance at peace. The oppressive Royal Dictatorships get an evasive subject to distract from their own larger scale murders. Arabs as usual give up their own liberties to buy anti-Semitism and hate. Europeans get to bash the Jews without overtly looking anti-Semitic, while imagining themselves even less raisesed by endorsing returning land that a modern megaplex of people currently live on. The fantasy is often better than a constructive reality. Everything the same as usual and same cultural program and exactly what everyone wants. So, if you were Israel what practical things would you do?
I personally don’t think the current line of events has reduced the killing, in a chronic atmosphere, but it is too soon to say. First is to declare the wall a success, it had reduced the killing, and to use that success. Peace will ultimately destroy the wall, but no one is offering it. So, moving the wall forward in Gaza was a better alternative. Land for conflict and land for Peace. This gives Gaza what it hates in exchange for wanton attack, and a political dilemma toward a behavior for peace. Europe will hate it, but they hate Jews and always will till it cost them too much yet again. Moving forward would have been less inconvenient to the local population, and that’s really what the conflict is about. The murderers will kill and be killed, but commerce trade will create work and heal. Communications and travel heat up commerce to a gaseous state. So, travel and security must become partners the best solution for the Palestinians I think is a monorail; to light, and cars too small to allow large rockets and weapons. Increasing the speed of check points is pivotal to people focusing on their job and not on the conflict.
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Post by sweet soul on Jan 12, 2009 17:58:55 GMT
Europe hats jews?
Thought it was Brits they hated.
But seriously. No i dont think they do hate jews at all.
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Post by lala on Jan 12, 2009 19:17:24 GMT
I thought Hamas was causing the terror Bert. By making Israel defend itself by havin to go to war This is weird logic. Israel does not have to go to war. If Hamas could compel Israel to do anything, it would have caused Israel to wink out of existance by now. The Israei government made a CHOICE - several choices, in fact, going back over years - which lead to this current situation. Unfortunately for the people of Gaza and of Israel, the choices the Israeli government made were almost always calculated - and I mean that literally, as in they knew what they were doing and what the likely consequences would be - to bring things to this end. They were evil, cynical choices. Hamas made evil choices as well, but as Hamas are violent terrorist jackals, I don't expect any more of them. Naively, perhaps, I still kind of expect Israel to behave more like a civilised country and less like a terrorist organisation with nation status. |
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Post by lala on Jan 12, 2009 19:29:45 GMT
Symbolic? Symbolic?! ROFL Such sensitive artistic souls in Gaza, letting off 'symbolic' rockets (although balloons or doves might have given out a more peaceful message). No, the rockets have a very real world significance and use. Israel pulled out of Gaza and how was this met? With an escalation of the use of terror. ... Lala you cannot possibly be so credulous and gullbile, can you? The rockets were 'symbolic' and not intended to provoke civilian deaths, leading to increased animosity towards Israel? Do me a favour! It's got bells on. Ah, someone's played the joker. Or is it a deuce? Please quote me accurately. I did not say they were 'symbolic.' I'm quite aware of their ability to maim and kill, if some stray breeze should actually carry them onto an Israeli settlement. I'm sure Hamas would use them to devastating effect if they had better munitions, but they don't. The fact is the rocket attacks don't kill very many people though, they've got feeble range and limited accuracy. Suicide bombing is a far more effective means of spreading terror, and has resulted n far more death, injury and terror than the use of the rockets. The rockets are vitually irrelevant, except for proving that Hamas is still capable of firing them. WHich was all clear from post #7: And again in the post you quoted from: I'd have thought that was pretty clear, but, being the one trick pony you are, you couldn't resist the chance to misrepresent, as usual. oo Israel waqs forced to act. Hamas knows this, which is why it did it - it knew that eventually it's rocket attacks would be met with air attacks Hamas and incursions into Gaza, necessarily - because of Hamas tactics again - causing civilian casualties. This bit is moderately sensible, and is the point I;ve made on several occasions. See, you can do reasonable when you try, but please stop making stuff up when it suits you. |
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Post by sweet soul on Jan 12, 2009 19:44:02 GMT
Its a good job u wasnt in charge when the Gerrys declared war lala! :
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 12, 2009 20:21:09 GMT
"Israel didn't break the truce - Hamas did."
I'm surprised you claim to know anything about the subject. In any case, Israel had the choice of entering discussions to renew the truce but chose what it's good at, mass murder and massive destruction.
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Post by newyorker on Jan 12, 2009 20:27:18 GMT
Europe hats jews? Thought it was Brits they hated. But seriously. No i dont think they do hate jews at all. Really? Explain lala, Bertrus, Amazed, Omni.. etc etc.. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 12, 2009 20:50:53 GMT
"Hamas are violent terrorist jackals" lala
You have to explain why the Palestinian electorate gave Change and Reform (the political wing of Hamas) an absolute majority of parliamentary seats in the January 2006 elections. You also have to explain why foreign governments, the US/ Israel in particular, intervened through economic sanctions and sponsorship of violence to prevent Change and Reform from replacing Fatah.
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Post by Amazed on Jan 12, 2009 20:57:48 GMT
I can only talk about my own country, NYer. The only people who hate Jews here are the same people who hate Muslims, people with African roots, people with Asian ancestry... in other words the neo-Nazis who copy their beliefs and behaviour from the KKK and other American right-wing nutters.
Personally I can hate an individual of any race/religion (even if I try to avoid that, too. Hate is so unproductive and childish) but would never stoop as low as letting it affect how I feel about the whole group he/she is part of.
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Post by puffin on Jan 12, 2009 21:47:29 GMT
Europe hats jews? Thought it was Brits they hated. But seriously. No i dont think they do hate jews at all. Really? Explain lala, Bertrus, Amazed, Omni.. etc etc.. Don't confuse detesting things that some of them do with hating the whole race, NY. You may decide that that is what you want to do, when you find the actins of some despicable, but not everyone has the same attitude. Most people are able to separate the people who need blame and criticism from all the others who just happen to belong to the same race or religion. |
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Post by polymath on Jan 12, 2009 23:07:09 GMT
Israel is using Nazi tactics against Gaza - for every soldier killed the Nazis slaughtered 100 innocent civilians, including women and children. That is exactly what is happening in Gaza. Yes, Israel, you've learnt your lessons from from the Nazis well.
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