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Post by voice on May 16, 2010 16:33:53 GMT
-1 Gidion as chancellor (((((((((((((shudder)))))))))))))))))))) -1 Reducing MP's to make the tory hold on power more assured -1 55% rule on dissolution, worked out on the back of a fag packet to suit the coalition -1 Insane schools policy that will only mean the middle classes getting the lions share of good teachers and resources and open the door to more loony fringe religious schools + The 10K tax thing + for not being a tory majority -1 Commitment to continue the wars and possibly expand them to include Iran
So - 3 so far (no reason to start at 5 as OH pointed out)
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Post by monrow on May 16, 2010 16:33:54 GMT
-1 Action on climate change watered down hippy Shall we ask Margret to come back hippy, she did close the pits and rid us of smog and fossile fuel. She was way ahead of her time. She cost us 300 years of coal reserves which with todays clean burn technology is criminal incompetence They weren't closed because they poluted . They couldn't be made to pay and most of them were shovelling rubbish. Clean burn technology wasn't around and 20 20 hindsight is very easy to do.
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Post by jonren on May 16, 2010 16:39:30 GMT
The more often a lie is repeated, the more people will believe it.
Relevant question:- Which Prime Minister shut the most pits in the UK?
Clue for the clueless. It was NOT Thatcher.
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voice
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Post by voice on May 16, 2010 16:40:24 GMT
monrow
odd re-right of history there, the primarily reason was political spite. We produced the cheapest deep mined coal on the planet we also had an awfull lot of it, the coal that was bought in from Poland to break the strike for instance was heavily state subsidized by the communist regime there, we pay a lot more for coals now we have no state subsidized coal from despotic regimes.
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Post by jonren on May 16, 2010 16:43:14 GMT
"They weren't closed because they poluted . They couldn't be made to pay and most of them were shovelling rubbish. Clean burn technology wasn't around and 20 20 hindsight is very easy to do."- - -Monrow
Correct! We septagenarians must keep the young informed of truth.
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Post by Scooby Do on May 16, 2010 16:57:52 GMT
She cost us 300 years of coal reserves which with todays clean burn technology is criminal incompetence They weren't closed because they poluted . They couldn't be made to pay and most of them were shovelling rubbish. Clean burn technology wasn't around and 20 20 hindsight is very easy to do. Doh.
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Post by jonren on May 16, 2010 17:06:33 GMT
Why then did Harold Wilson shut so many of these 'successful' pits. Seems a strange thing for a labour government to do. Not much objection then from the NUM why?
It is not me who is rewriting history.
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Post by Muz on May 16, 2010 17:13:23 GMT
Lol, jon, too many of the thatcher haters forget the FACT that, Labour closed more pits than the Tories.
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Post by auldhippy on May 16, 2010 17:31:06 GMT
Thatcher closed the pits that didn't merit closing.
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Post by jonren on May 16, 2010 17:34:49 GMT
"Lol, jon, too many of the thatcher haters forget the FACT that, Labour closed more pits than the Tories"- - - - - - Muz Correct. When Maggie Thatcher became PM there were only 170 mines left in the UK. What happened to all these ?? freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cmhrc/lom18.htmThere are to many on here who will not debate FACT. If you don't like anything, just add Thatcher to it and you get away with murder. Again i say, repeat lies often enough and more and more believe them. Before Thatcher there were hundreds off pits in Britain. The largest number were closed by Harold Wilson's governments. Every bloody year the same argument crops of from lefties with some additions. I am getting tired of refuting their crap about the mining industry. My father knew a bit about pits. He was at the coalface in 1910 and the trenches in 1914. I lstened to his opinions until he died in 1975.
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Post by auldhippy on May 16, 2010 17:47:12 GMT
Too easy, Thatcher killed the mining industry for reason of totalitarian power. We all had parents or grandparents in the war and we all listened to them. Your stupidity is your own.
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Post by monrow on May 16, 2010 17:58:50 GMT
I was there when the miners strikes were going on. I don't need a history book or hearsay to tell me what was going on. Scargill was a communist menace out to break the government at any cost. It didn't work but he did more harm to the future of the remaining pits than any government could do. Some of them could have carried on until they were worked out but the strike caused so much damage to the pits because they weren't being maintained that many had to go sooner than they would have done.
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Post by jonren on May 16, 2010 18:00:45 GMT
OH, I am tiringof your arrant nonsense. Stay on topic. WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR CLOSING MOST PRODUCING UK PITS SINCE 1900? I provided a link to show where hUNDREDS OF UK PITS WERE LOCATED. This is not really like me, but please just f**k off and give me peace, or post some FACTS to support your drivelling.
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Post by jonren on May 16, 2010 18:12:16 GMT
I was there when the miners strikes were going on. I don't need a history book or hearsay to tell me what was going on. "Scargill was a communist menace out to break the government at any cost. It didn't work but he did more harm to the future of the remaining pits than any government could do. Some of them could have carried on until they were worked out but the strike caused so much damage to the pits because they weren't being maintained that many had to go sooner than they would have done." - - - - - - -Monrow. You know the truth. I have said many times that Scargill used the miners as cannon fodder to attempt to overthrow a legal government. I spoke to some lads from Airth, a small Stirlingshire 'pit' village. Scargill was givem them twenty pounds per day to go down and Join the pickets at the Orgreave coke plant. One said "It's better than working, Jon" The enemies of this country and always heve been, is an assortment of young wide eyed marxists who know bugger all, some old commies and an assortment of female 'lefties' who would really be better employed doing the fcuking dishes or making babies.
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Post by Repat Van on May 16, 2010 20:24:24 GMT
Increasing tax allowances +1 Reworking tax/NI so richer pay for the cut +1 Not being Labour +2 Blocking the third runway -1 Reducing number of MPs +1 Immigraton cap -1
No strong opinions either way on anything else thus far. Starting with 5 gives...8
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Post by lala on May 16, 2010 21:02:26 GMT
There are to many on here who will not debate FACT. If you don't like anything, just add Thatcher to it and you get away with murder. Again i say, repeat lies often enough and more and more believe them. Before Thatcher there were hundreds off pits in Britain. The largest number were closed by Harold Wilson's governments. Every bloody year the same argument crops of from lefties with some additions. I am getting tired of refuting their crap about the mining industry. My father knew a bit about pits. He was at the coalface in 1910 and the trenches in 1914. I lstened to his opinions until he died in 1975. It was actually Scooby Do who introduced the "Thatcher closed the pits" strawman into the thread (reply #15). You've added more straw to make him larger with your irrelevant ravings about who did what. No-one was talking about that. You're fighting shadows.
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Post by Scooby Do on May 16, 2010 21:05:04 GMT
There are to many on here who will not debate FACT. If you don't like anything, just add Thatcher to it and you get away with murder. Again i say, repeat lies often enough and more and more believe them. Before Thatcher there were hundreds off pits in Britain. The largest number were closed by Harold Wilson's governments. Every bloody year the same argument crops of from lefties with some additions. I am getting tired of refuting their crap about the mining industry. My father knew a bit about pits. He was at the coalface in 1910 and the trenches in 1914. I lstened to his opinions until he died in 1975. It was actually Scooby Do who introduced the "Thatcher closed the pits" strawman into the thread (reply #15). You've added more straw to make him larger with your irrelevant ravings about who did what. No-one was talking about that. You're fighting shadows. Yup, I did indeed. Now tell the dumb arse hippy why.
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Post by auldhippy on May 16, 2010 21:31:10 GMT
Eat sh*t & regurgitate, I don't care why you introduced Thatcher.
You seem to forget she was the first world leader ever to raise the issue of climate change.
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Post by Scooby Do on May 16, 2010 21:34:02 GMT
Eat sh*t & regurgitate, I don't care why you introduced Thatcher. You seem to forget she was the first world leader ever to raise the issue of climate change. Melt down again. Go light a funny fag, and sit in a darkened room, you'll feel better.
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Post by auldhippy on May 16, 2010 21:57:24 GMT
Maybe tomorrow nursie will let you have your scissors back.
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