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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 0:24:07 GMT
On the way home from Jerusalem, I heard on the radio an interview that sent an anger wave through my body.
That phone interview was with a Palestinian Doctor who used to work in Israeli hospitals and even conducted researchs with Israeli Professors, for many years. He now lives in Jabalia, a "refugee camp" in northern Gaza in order to help his people in their hour of need.
He was asked about the reaction of his neighbours to Israeli bombings in Gaza.
His answer was that he and his family are the only ones left in their house because all the rest wer told to go and hide in Mosqus and schools.
Do you comprehand the horific meaning of this?
1) Israel is only bombing terror targets such as rocket launching, manufacturing and storing sites. Hamas operational facilities etc.
2) The general innocent Arab public have nothing to fear but:
3) if such a rocket storage is in the house near you and it is hit, then secondary exploding rockets may hit your house.
4) When the people fill the Mosque or school then the Hamas starts shooting rockets from there.
5) If Israel bombs this rocket launching site then the prople inside are hurt iand in come all the Press, pictures, Utube etc. and condemn Israel.
6) If Israel does not retaliate they continue to shoot those rockets and brag about the coward Israelis who value life, while the brave Arabs value death.
That is a win-win situations: Dead Arabs = condemnation of Israel
No retaliation = continued rocket bombing of Israel and a facad of victory to Hamas.
I can go to sleep now. Thank you for reading and understanding
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Post by lala on Jan 15, 2009 0:36:13 GMT
It almost soundfs like you're ambivalent about the wisdom of the invasion, Avi.
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Post by lawrence on Jan 15, 2009 1:24:20 GMT
They will have a hard time finding a spot to hide in the kindergartens and under women's skirts as their fearless fighters already occupy those places.
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 8:22:50 GMT
It almost soundfs like you're ambivalent about the wisdom of the invasion, Avi. How so, lala? If you cannot stop the rocket launching by bombing those sites by bombing them from the air, the only alternative (assuming that flattening Gaza like WWII Drezden is out of the question) of minimal collateral damage - Is invasion and clearing that place house by house from all terror presence. So, you see, we put our soldiers in mortal danger just to save the lives of innocent civilians. Simple, unless you have a better way to fight terror. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2009 8:43:15 GMT
Yeah, that'e the easy bit: stop treating the Palestinians like sub-humans.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 9:14:23 GMT
Well where are you meant to hide if you're just a normal person who happens to live in Gaza? If you stay home there might be a Hamas rocket launcher somewhere nearby and you risk being blown up. I would have thought mosques and schools are a safer bet seeing as everybody knows the IDF try to minimise civilian casualties and would not blow up mosques and schools.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2009 9:23:27 GMT
The IDF's record on not blowing up schools is hardly impressive.
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Post by joliet on Jan 15, 2009 10:09:50 GMT
Anyone else hear John Humphries on Radio 4 this morning giving hell to the Israeli representative because only selected news organisations are allowed in the area while others such as the BBC are not? Funniest thing on radio this year!
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 10:11:05 GMT
only selected news organisations are allowed in the area while others such as the BBC are not See - it's all propaganda and you can't believe a bloody word anyone says. I do wonder what Israel is hiding. If nothing, they'd let anyone in, surely. |
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Post by joliet on Jan 15, 2009 10:15:15 GMT
That's exactly what John said but the representative gave some bull about news organisations being let in when the situation is settled. John asked for clarification but he just repeated his statement.
"But it was all independently verified by the New York Times"
"Well let us in and we can verify it for ourselves"
"But the NYT already did so..."
Funny as f**k!
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Post by lala on Jan 15, 2009 10:24:58 GMT
This is the part that made me think you might be feeling ambivalent about the wisdom of the invasion: That is a win-win situations: Dead Arabs = condemnation of Israel No retaliation = continued rocket bombing of Israel and a facad of victory to Hamas. Obviously, you grasp that Hamas are getting precisely what they want. The whole war was instigated by them to engineer precisely the sort of response it is getting, and to radicalise the Palestinians and alienate them from Fatah. So it is mission accomplished for Hmas, assuming they survive in some form or another - and I doubt the real leaders of the movement are in any real danger. (Even if Hamas were obliterated, it would still have accomplished its goals, though another organisation would reap the benefits.) I suppose the military option might be viscerally satisfying - but do you think it will be effective? |
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 10:42:30 GMT
#5: "Well where are you meant to hide if you're just a normal person who happens to live in Gaza?" - THEY know exactly where Hamas placed their "things" (and some of the Gazans tell Israel of course) So, the normal person just has to STAY AWAY FROM THOSE PLACES.
Much easier than for the Israelies who do not know where or when a rocket will land.
All we can know is 15 seconds between spotting a launchimg and general direction of the rocket.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 10:44:24 GMT
Well they may or may not know, I wouldn't have a clue - do Hamas go round telling people that they've put a launcher round the corner so they should shove off?
I also think it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Hamas might move them now and again.
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Post by mids on Jan 15, 2009 10:47:06 GMT
only selected news organisations are allowed in the area while others such as the BBC are not See - it's all propaganda and you can't believe a bloody word anyone says. I do wonder what Israel is hiding. If nothing, they'd let anyone in, surely. I heard that. Can't really blame them for preferring news organisations other than the BBC. |
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 10:48:08 GMT
The IDF's record on not blowing up schools is hardly impressive. As they are used as military instalations... Do read #1 |
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Post by mids on Jan 15, 2009 10:48:28 GMT
Why haven't the Gazans built loads of shelters for their people like the Israelis have? It's not like they're short of money or tunnelling experience.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 10:52:16 GMT
I think they are short of money.
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 10:57:13 GMT
Yeah, that'e the easy bit: stop treating the Palestinians like sub-humans. Those that call themselves "Palestinians" and are Israeli citizens are treated as Israeli citizens - even better as they do not share all the obligations but enjoy all the benefits. Those that are not are either our enemies (the terrorist organisations) and are treated as such or they are "peacfull" and are not our business how their people treat them. If the "peacful" Arabs want to come to Israel - they must be checked to make sure that they are not terrorists or being used by terrorists. Very simple and straight forward like any other nation on Earth. |
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Post by mids on Jan 15, 2009 11:01:29 GMT
Are they short of money? what's happened to all those countless billions that have poured into Gaza over the years? Surely it wouldn't take much to convert all the tunnels into shelters.
ps gaaaah! what's happened to the quotey thing? It keeps making me quote the wrong person.
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Post by avieder on Jan 15, 2009 11:33:04 GMT
This is the part that made me think you might be feeling ambivalent about the wisdom of the invasion: That is a win-win situations: Dead Arabs = condemnation of Israel No retaliation = continued rocket bombing of Israel and a facad of victory to Hamas. Obviously, you grasp that Hamas are getting precisely what they want. The whole war was instigated by them to engineer precisely the sort of response it is getting, and to radicalise the Palestinians and alienate them from Fatah. So it is mission accomplished for Hmas, assuming they survive in some form or another - and I doubt the real leaders of the movement are in any real danger. (Even if Hamas were obliterated, it would still have accomplished its goals, though another organisation would reap the benefits.) I suppose the military option might be viscerally satisfying - but do you think it will be effective? You are right, lala. They are not fools. Just very mean even to their fellow Arabs. The Objective of this war is to cut Hamas down to size. To prevent it from launching rockets, sending suicide bombers and so forth. We are not out to eliminate it as a political factor, just its ability to cause us harm. We all (you too) understand this this is just one battle against world terror whose head is presently (maybe) in Teheran. All the "free" world is in this war. 9/11, 7/7, Mombay, Singapour.... are all friction points between Radical Islam and the free world. This means, dear lala, that the war in Gaza is TOUR war too. I think I know which side you are on. Do you know? |
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