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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 15:30:44 GMT
How's it going to affect you, you arse?
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 15:32:51 GMT
How's it going to affect you, you arse? Because I am in the UK very, very often, you festering unwashed old man's scrötum. |
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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 15:34:51 GMT
But you are not resident. How will loss of liberty affect you, as a visitor?
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 15:37:52 GMT
I gave you one possible example earlier. I'm sure I could run through the 300 or so new laws one by one but I'm not going to. Or are you saying that non-UK residents exempt from UK laws when in the country? You, as you constantly remind us, are the legal expert, I am not.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 15:40:49 GMT
It's a stupid flippant answer, as is your wont.
You don't live here so you're really not affected.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 15:43:31 GMT
I love your admissions of failure the more for the graceless way in which they are delivered.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 15, 2009 15:45:26 GMT
Can you give an example of how you're affected? You live in Sweden and come here for visits.
I mean by all means have an opinion on it but to say you're affected in any real way is obviously not true.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 15:48:26 GMT
I gave you one for Christ's sake and, unable to disagree with it, you said it was "flippant". What would be the point giving you any others since you'll just say they're flippant too?
I don't really see why you're bothering to disagree with me, other than it being your default mustdo setting. Surely you can see as well as anyone that the UK now has some amazingly pointless laws which criminalise perfectly innocent normal behaviour. And these apply to anyone on UK soil, not just those who are resident.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 15, 2009 15:58:39 GMT
Withdrawal from Gaza
7,000 or so illegal settlers left Gaza and 15,000 or so new illegal settlers poured into the West Bank and East Jerusalem. There was no military withdrawal. Israeli planes, drones constantly overfly Gaza, the coast is blockaded, the perimeter is patrolled and the military smash their way into Gaza at will. This is before the current onslaught which is faciliatated by the absence of Israeli settlers to be protected, which would hamper the extent of the campaign to terrorize Palestinians into submission.
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Post by reverend on Jan 15, 2009 16:06:31 GMT
seeing as hamas started firing rockets from Gaza the very day after Israel withdrew it's completely justified!
the palestinians had a chance to prove negotiations and diplomacy worked by using Gaza as an example of Palestinians and Israelis living side by side peacefully, it would have been serious ammunition to prove israeli withdrawal from the west bank would also result in a realistic prospect of peace, instead they declared a farcical military victory and started firing rockets handing all the proof the Israeli hardliners needed that withdrawal would just result in more attacks on Israel, the result is the current conflict, Hamas has proven you cant negotiate a peace!
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 16:15:10 GMT
Rev, if we can take as read for a moment that Hamas share the blame at least as much as Israel for the current civilian death toll - where do you think non-Hamas innocent Gazans should hide out to avoid being blown to death?
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Post by reverend on Jan 15, 2009 16:18:48 GMT
buggered if I could tell you!
no matter where they went they would no doubt find hamas gunmen quickly moving in behind them!
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Jan 15, 2009 17:00:49 GMT
Fair enough, honest answer.
Much as I do sympathise with the impossible situation Israel is in, and much as I understand and support their right to defend themselves, when you look at the 1000 plus dead Palestinians compared to 13 dead Israelis, of which only 3 were civilians, I have to wonder whether this isn't so one-sided as to be, well, a bit wrong. At the least heavy-handed.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 16, 2009 0:39:58 GMT
"a farcical military victory"
Actually, a few months later, they won a perfectly legitimate victory in the Palestinian parliamentary elections. The Palestinians had the democratic right to be represented in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza by the Change and Reform party (the political wing of Hamas). Israel and the US (and the EU) refused to accept the democratic right of the Palestinians and the economic strangulation of the Occupied Territories resulted, followed up by the US/Israel conspiring with the discredited and defeated Fatah party to overturn the election result through violence. After the fighting, which left hundreds of Palestinians dead, Hamas emerged as de facto rulers of Gaza and Fatah in the other Occupied Territories.
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Post by omnipleasant on Jan 16, 2009 0:45:36 GMT
"the UK government and its relentless war on justice and liberty"
What?!?
I reckon this is the biggest straw man going today.
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Post by omnipleasant on Jan 16, 2009 0:46:50 GMT
"Can you give an example of how you're affected? You live in Sweden and come here for visits."
Can you give an example of how you as a resident are affected?
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Post by newyorker on Jan 16, 2009 1:59:40 GMT
"and you can't kill your way out of it, says David Milliband,"
Brain-dead left-wing bed wetting nonsense.
Sure you can, that's the method which worked to resolve WWII so brilliantly.
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Post by cobblers on Jan 16, 2009 4:02:08 GMT
"a farcical military victory" Actually, a few months later, they won a perfectly legitimate victory in the Palestinian parliamentary elections. The Palestinians had the democratic right to be represented in the West Bank, East Jerusalem and Gaza by the Change and Reform party (the political wing of Hamas). Israel and the US (and the EU) refused to accept the democratic right of the Palestinians and the economic strangulation of the Occupied Territories resulted, followed up by the US/Israel conspiring with the discredited and defeated Fatah party to overturn the election result through violence. After the fighting, which left hundreds of Palestinians dead, Hamas emerged as de facto rulers of Gaza and Fatah in the other Occupied Territories. If they voted for Hamas, knowing what its agenda was, they deserve everything they get.they wanted it after all. check the Hamas charter and Hamas pronouncements. Gazans, you voted for it, so quit whingiing. You voted for a jihadist party that wanted 'jihad' and explicitly rejected peaceful solutions. Then reap what you voted for. Suck it up. |
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Post by avieder on Jan 16, 2009 7:42:53 GMT
What is the alternative to waging a "War on Terror "?
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Post by ricklinc on Jan 16, 2009 8:57:42 GMT
The alternative to waging a war on terror is to enter into a dialogue and engage with the terrorists to discuss their grievances in a frank and open manner leading to a valuable exchange of views. Then give them waht they want. Worked with the IRA.
How abouit it, Avi? Think you can manage that?
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