Wayne worth it?

[bertruss2]

Wayne Rooney's new contract. Up to £300,000 a week. £1,785 every hour and just under £30 every minute. The deal will earn the 28-year-old Manchester United striker more than £70m over the next five-and-a-half years. (BBC)

He's worth it in commercial terms. But what does that say about the world we live in?

[Eric]

Shagging grannies is no bar to earnings?

[yord]

It says that the majority have been seriously misguided in everything they were told to be of value

[Repat Van]

Feb 21, 2014 14:48:40 GMT bertruss2 said:

Wayne Rooney's new contract. Up to £300,000 a week. £1,785 every hour and just under £30 every minute. The deal will earn the 28-year-old Manchester United striker more than £70m over the next five-and-a-half years. (BBC)

He's worth it in commercial terms. But what does that say about the world we live in?

It says that some people are lucky bastards and I wish I was one of them!

[yord]

an interesting observation ( for want of better words ) is to ask people to watch and count how many times another group of people perform a repeated task.One of the more known of these tests is to have 2 teams of 3 people, with each team being easy identifable by the coloured uniform they are wearing. The observers are asked to count the number of balls passed by the team dressed in red and ignore the number of balls passed by the team in blue.The time period is only a minute long and 15 balls were passed between the red players.The vast majority of those watching come up with the right number ( 15 ) but totaly fail to notice that for 15 consecutive seconds out of that minute a black gorilla wandered around the red team players in full view. What does that tell you about the world we live in

[flatandy]

If fat Wayne brings 70 million quids worth of value to Manchester United, then it's worth it.

Replacing him with another fat but skilful striker, purely on footballing terms, would probably involve a 20 to 30 million quid transfer fee, plus more ludicrous appearance fees. He scores a decent amount, and adds quite a lot of creativity. Although it's questionable whether they need both him and Mata.

Add to the fact that lots of British supporters, at least, are gullible enough to buy into the potato-head brand. He is hugely famous, probably the most famous British footballer right now. So having his name on merchandise and his face appearing in advertising deals which involve Man U (I presume Wayne-only advertising cash goes straight to Wayne) will add a ton of value. Nike, or whoever, are going to pay more to have a Manchester United team prancing around with Fat Wayne than they would to have a Manchester United team prancing around with a similarly talented but less publically visible Slovenian, say. Or even Mata or Van Persie, who are probably both better footballers than Rooney.

So, while it looks like an obscene amount of cash, particularly for someone like Rooney who has no idea how to enjoy spending that kind of money, it's probably a good value deal from both sides.

[Eric]

The upside of his wages, is that if he and others like him were only paid, say £100,000 p.a. all the rest would just go to a city fat cat.

[bertruss2]

Wayne is worth it because that's the way the economy works. The bankers are worth it because that's the way the economy works. How about bringing in a maximum wage within a not too ridiculous distance of the minimum wage?

[yord]

How about getting those on minium wage to ask themselves why they arnt maximising their supposed potential instead

[Deleted]

So what does it say about our society?

That we have no real values and are therefore prime for disaster. The end days.

[Eric]

The Next Generation?

"I don't care how long they stay in Starfleet academy. They are not getting onto MY ship."

[perrykneeham]

It's a game of two halves ....

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67858866

Did he lose the changing room?

[unclejunior]

He should have been taken the player // manager role ..!!

[flatandy]

I've really never understood the logic of "he was a good player, therefore he'll be a good manager". Particularly for players who were always a little shy in the brain department.

I understand why they want to be managers - there's not much else with that level of prestige that someone like Wayne Rooney is trained to do. But why fans want them and chairmen appoint them is baffling.

[mids]

He never seemed at all managerial.

[moggyonspeed]

Jan 2, 2024 14:46:05 GMT flatandy said:

I've really never understood the logic of "he was a good player, therefore he'll be a good manager". Particularly for players who were always a little shy in the brain department.

I understand why they want to be managers - there's not much else with that level of prestige that someone like Wayne Rooney is trained to do. But why fans want them and chairmen appoint them is baffling.

Spot on. It's pretty much the same in business too where, from time-to-time, MDs and board members try to promote top salesmen into sales manager roles. Lazy thinking in my view, since these two roles, though related, are performed best by people who think differently and are motivated differently.

[voice]

Yup, he's a shite manager, though he's hardly the first player to go this way, Fat Frank Lampard, Steven Gerard to name but 2 other recent ones, have shown being a big name player is no guarantee they'll be the next Alex Ferguson

[flatandy]

Alex Ferguson - 4 caps for Scotland but generally a journeyman player (41 appearances for Rangers, the rest of his career at The Likes Of Falkirk, Dunfermline, Ayr and St Johnstone) - is evidence that being a big name player doesn't make you an Alex Ferguson.

[flatandy]

Jan 2, 2024 15:20:31 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Jan 2, 2024 14:46:05 GMT flatandy said:

I've really never understood the logic of "he was a good player, therefore he'll be a good manager". Particularly for players who were always a little shy in the brain department.

I understand why they want to be managers - there's not much else with that level of prestige that someone like Wayne Rooney is trained to do. But why fans want them and chairmen appoint them is baffling.

Spot on. It's pretty much the same in business too where, from time-to-time, MDs and board members try to promote top salesmen into sales manager roles. Lazy thinking in my view, since these two roles, though related, are performed best by people who think differently and are motivated differently.

I think also that applies in academia. It's the old trope "Those that can't do, teach" but teaching is generally a different skill to doing. Yet in academia the people who're sh*t hot science researchers get jobs as lecturers. And yet there's absolutely no evidence (in fact, I'd argue, the opposite) that being good at solving nested integrals makes you the kind of person who's good at standing in front of 200 people, projecting your voice, and explaining in stuff in clear terms that people much more stupid than you understand; or makes you the kind of empathetic person who can listen and understand why someone is struggling with solving problems that you never have to think about.

[voice]

Talking of dim footy players, saw a great clip of Jack Greilish the other day.

Interviewer: so Jack many think you have an encyclopedic knowledge of the game.

Jack: ER, what's that?

Interviewer: you know encyclopedic

Jack: sorry no idea what you mean.


I really wanted her to ask "you know, it's a book" to see if he knew what one was.