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Post by voice on Jan 15, 2016 17:18:44 GMT
the idea coal is not heavily subsidized is a joke.
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Post by jimboky on Jan 15, 2016 17:36:01 GMT
so we agree it would be best to remove all subsidies? and let the market sort it out?
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Post by voice on Jan 15, 2016 21:08:32 GMT
no, cos the market is stupid and short term, governments should not be the same.
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Post by nobody on Jan 15, 2016 21:15:41 GMT
If there was a way to generate power, cleanly and free, no Government would allow it to happen.
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Post by jimboky on Jan 15, 2016 21:31:18 GMT
no, cos the market is stupid and short term, governments should not be the same. the market is natural selection for finance, as opposed to GMO's, which works best? |
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Post by lala on Jan 15, 2016 22:23:23 GMT
A few cranks and propagandists with funding from the Heartland Institute say Earth is cooling, and Jimbo interprets this as mainstream scientific opinion?
You can still find people claiming Earth is flat and the Moon landings were faked, jimbo. Do you also view them as representing mainstream consensus?
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Post by voice on Jan 15, 2016 22:38:12 GMT
If there was a way to generate power, cleanly and free, no Government would allow it to happen. what in idiotic statement |
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Post by voice on Jan 15, 2016 22:40:24 GMT
no, cos the market is stupid and short term, governments should not be the same. the market is natural selection for finance, as opposed to GMO's, which works best? well it depends on what you call best, GMS's have huge potential benefits, golden rice could alleviate blindness is some of the poorest communities on the planet and the increased yields are helping feed more using less land. not sure you really thought out your comparison tbh |
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Post by nobody on Jan 15, 2016 22:57:55 GMT
If there was a way to generate power, cleanly and free, no Government would allow it to happen. what in idiotic statement Actually, it's you who is the idiot, try thinking, I know you'll find it difficult, but try. |
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Post by nobody on Jan 15, 2016 23:08:56 GMT
A few cranks and propagandists with funding from the Heartland Institute say Earth is cooling, and Jimbo interprets this as mainstream scientific opinion? You can still find people claiming Earth is flat and the Moon landings were faked, jimbo. Do you also view them as representing mainstream consensus? How was the break, or did you find an Internet connection? Did you eat the kids? |
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Post by voice on Jan 15, 2016 23:49:50 GMT
what in idiotic statement Actually, it's you who is the idiot, try thinking, I know you'll find it difficult, but try. well first off its idiocy cos anything that produces energy, or rather more accurate converts energy into a form that we can use needs to have that converter built, be it a solar panel or hydro dam then infrastructure put in place. And really the energy is in essence free already in the form of sunlight, wind, water even coal and oil, it just costs money to put things in place to convert it to a form we can use. That's why rolling out the old tired troupe about governments banning fee energy is just stupid when you think about it, not that you have that capacity mind. |
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Post by nobody on Jan 16, 2016 0:01:20 GMT
Actually, it's you who is the idiot, try thinking, I know you'll find it difficult, but try. well first off its idiocy cos anything that produces energy, or rather more accurate converts energy into a form that we can use needs to have that converter built, be it a solar panel or hydro dam then infrastructure put in place. And really the energy is in essence free already in the form of sunlight, wind, water even coal and oil, it just costs money to put things in place to convert it to a form we can use. That's why rolling out the old tired troupe about governments banning fee energy is just stupid when you think about it, not that you have that capacity mind. Like I said, thinking isn't your strong point. |
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Post by flatandy on Jan 16, 2016 2:13:30 GMT
ironic
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Post by voice on Jan 16, 2016 2:41:29 GMT
well first off its idiocy cos anything that produces energy, or rather more accurate converts energy into a form that we can use needs to have that converter built, be it a solar panel or hydro dam then infrastructure put in place. And really the energy is in essence free already in the form of sunlight, wind, water even coal and oil, it just costs money to put things in place to convert it to a form we can use. That's why rolling out the old tired troupe about governments banning fee energy is just stupid when you think about it, not that you have that capacity mind. Like I said, thinking isn't your strong point. Instead of firing off bullshit statments like a sh*t slinging terebochet, it might be more helpful had you thought it through enough and managed to be able to back them up with some rational. I said it was idiocy I then told you why, yet apparently you have your usual nothing of note in responce. |
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Post by lala on Jan 16, 2016 4:16:19 GMT
I imagine energy companies might be more interested in suppressing this mythical fuel source.
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Post by nobody on Jan 16, 2016 7:39:30 GMT
Like I said, thinking isn't your strong point. Instead of firing off bullshit statments like a sh*t slinging terebochet, it might be more helpful had you thought it through enough and managed to be able to back them up with some rational. I said it was idiocy I then told you why, yet apparently you have your usual nothing of note in responce. Sorry, took me awhile to interpretate that. I pointed out something, I don't have to explain anything to you, you could try thinking for yourself. Yes lala, you could be correct, the knock on effect would need to be addressed by Government of the day, and I doubt if any would unless they were forced to. |
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Post by lala on Jan 20, 2016 18:52:40 GMT
It's official. Scientists reported Wednesday that 2015 was the hottest year in recorded history by far, breaking a record set only the year before — a burst of heat that has continued into the new year and is roiling weather patterns all over the world.
In the contiguous United States, the year was the second-warmest on record, punctuated by a December that was both the hottest and the wettest since record-keeping began. One result has been a wave of unusual winter floods coursing down the Mississippi River watershed.
Scientists started predicting a global temperature record months ago, in part because an El Niño weather pattern, one of the largest in a century, is releasing an immense amount of heat from the Pacific Ocean into the atmosphere. But the bulk of the record-setting heat, they say, is a consequence of the long-term planetary warming caused by human emissions of greenhouse gases.
“The whole system is warming up, relentlessly,” said Gerald A. Meehl, a scientist at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colo.
It will take a few more years to know for certain, but the back-to-back records of 2014 and 2015 may have put the world back onto a trajectory of rapid global warming, after a period of relatively slow warming dating to the last powerful El Niño, in 1998.
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When temperatures are averaged at a global scale, the differences between years are usually measured in fractions of a degree. In the NOAA data set, 2015 was 0.29 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than 2014, the largest jump ever over a previous record. NASA calculated a slightly smaller figure, but still described it as an unusual one-year increase. Wonder what excuse Rick et al will cling to? I suspect much wailing about Spencer and his satellites. |
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Post by lala on Mar 14, 2016 3:25:07 GMT
Don't want to sound alarmist, but we might be a bit f**k*d: Global temperatures leapt in February, lifting warming from pre-industrial levels to beyond 1.5 degrees, and stoking concerns about a "climate emergency".
According to NASA analysis, average temperatures last month were 1.35 degrees above the norm for the 1951-1980 period.
They smashed the previous biggest departure from the average - set only in the previous month - by 0.21 degrees.
"This is really quite stunning ... it's completely unprecedented," said Stefan Rahmstorf, from Germany's Potsdam Institute of Climate Impact Research and a visiting professorial fellow at the University of NSW, noting the NASA data as reported by the Wunderground blog.
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Post by flatandy on Mar 14, 2016 4:35:44 GMT
One of the scary things is that last year's El Nino signal began to ease off, which should lead to a La Nina event. Except this time the ENSO signal appears to be ramping back up again, so there's a chance that we could get back-to-back events (and 2014-15 was borderline El Nino, too). Another way in which we could be f**k*d, if it happens. It's totally unprecedented.
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Post by lala on Mar 14, 2016 5:25:38 GMT
But, you know, Greenland used to be green, and the Vikings didn't drive 4x4s, did they?
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