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Post by Libby on Jan 17, 2009 20:13:41 GMT
What sort of nurse would i be if i only nursed Christians?! It is exactly the same situation with the bus driver, he drives people with different religions, so what difference does one advertisement make?! There are adverts all over the place that i don't like or disagree with, that's life, but it certainly wouldn't stop me doing my job.
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Post by feral on Jan 17, 2009 20:28:32 GMT
I bet no bus comany would dare have "There is probably no Allah" on their buses! I thought Allah was just the arabic word for God .Would be a bit daft sticking an arabic word up wouldnt it ? |
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Post by Libby on Jan 17, 2009 20:36:36 GMT
I think it would be a bit much if an advert on a British bus used the word Allah. We should all be tolerant of all religions, i have no problem with that. However a foreign religious issue on the side of a British bus is not on in my opinion. I wouldn't expect to see Arabic writing on the side of a bus either. Having said that, of course i would get on a bus no matter what advert it had on it. It is only a mode of transport after all!
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Post by voice on Jan 17, 2009 20:43:42 GMT
and there is the big difference Libby, by having a rational approach, life if far easier
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Post by feral on Jan 17, 2009 20:45:56 GMT
The irony in all this is ,is that the thingy who refused to drive the bus cos the ad offended him has now brought that ad to more people's attention than if he'd just driven the bus with it on and ignored it .
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Post by Libby on Jan 17, 2009 20:50:00 GMT
Absolutely feral, which proves the guy is a complete idiot! If he had just driven his bus, no attention would have been brought to either him, his religion or the advert on the bus! Now everyone knows about it all!
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Post by norfolkdumpling on Jan 17, 2009 22:02:21 GMT
feral said
I thought Allah was just the arabic word for God .Would be a bit daft sticking an arabic word up wouldnt it ?
Allah is an English version of the Islam god. My point is that there would have been uproar, fatwah's and heaven knows what else. Probably burning buses if the reaction to the infamous cartoon is anything to go by.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 17, 2009 22:32:09 GMT
Looks me Tarrent you must belive all footy fans view their teams as religious organisiation as what you said can easily be appied to them. I understand the simile but football doesn't exist to oppose religion. Football fans don't attack religion. Some may think of football as a religion and on a certain level it may be. The British Humanist Assoc. exists to present an alternative to god based religions, namely that without a god your life will be better. That is clearly philosophy. Clearly doctrine. Clearly belief. This has long been a tactic in the rear guard action the religious have been fighting (and loosing) for decades, by attempting to paint the rational and the logic as being a religion they then go on to say your belief system is not as valid as mine. . Not so. Mainstream Christian groups have never attacked science. Many Mainstream Christian groups and individuals have attacked what people do in the name of science. But that is not the same thing at all. The problem of putting science in opposition to religion, which most credable scientists would never do, is that it loses, simply because science cannot explain anything other than what is rational. Whereas, the mainstream Christian groups laid the foundations of science and sponsored and supported each of the principal scientific acheivements. |
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Post by feral on Jan 17, 2009 22:34:10 GMT
Allah is an English version of the Islam god. My point is that there would have been uproar, fatwah's and heaven knows what else. Probably burning buses if the reaction to the infamous cartoon is anything to go by.
I know what your point was.You obviously missed mine .
That ad uses a common word : God .It doesnt say a christian god or a muslim god or a hindu god or a whatever god .Just god .Ya know ? The english word we use for god ..that being that all those different religions believe in .
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Post by norfolkdumpling on Jan 17, 2009 22:41:00 GMT
The advert was pretty stupid and a waste of money. As if anybody would be converted by a bus poster.
The bus driver was being self important and pompous. He was depriving people of transport. He should have carried on doing the job he was paid to do.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 17, 2009 22:44:58 GMT
The message is clearly an attack on all spiritual belief.
To have used the term Allah would have been widely seen as a direct attack on a specific group, namely Muslims.
It is clear the British Humanist Assoc. is attempting to put its beliefs and doctrines in place of those of any and all spiritual religions.
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Post by fastkat on Jan 17, 2009 22:51:52 GMT
Mainstream Christian groups have never attacked science.
The Roman Catholic Church have been refuting the work of scientists for centuries, conveniently labelling some of them who were a threat to the church as 'heretics' and threatening all sorts of nastiness on them.
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Post by tarrant on Jan 17, 2009 23:08:50 GMT
Mainstream Christian groups have never attacked science.The Roman Catholic Church have been refuting the work of scientists for centuries, conveniently labelling some of them who were a threat to the church as 'heretics' and threatening all sorts of nastiness on them. Not so. The churches in Europe were the primary sponsors of scientific research until the 19th or 20th centuaries. The Roman Church accepted that the Biblical version of creation is an alegory, as far back as the 1st century. There are many instances of individuals opposing some research or other on so called moral grounds. That, sadly continues to this day in many universities. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creationism#Creation_in_early_and_medieval_Christianity |
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Post by avieder on Jan 17, 2009 23:38:54 GMT
he right of the bus driver to practice his belief in G-d is not less but more than the right of any group to undermine the basic principle of the hosting nation.You are the fool. His occupation is to drive buses, not to promote his god damn religion. Where does it end? He refuses to let Muslims, or gays or Jews on his bus? Give a sermon over the tannoy system? Handing out religious literature? What his religious beliefs are should have nothing to do with carrying out his job. Thank you for the complement, I was hoping that we left "name calling" at MSN, if not kndergarden.... The people who payed for that sign had a purpose and the financial backing to premote that purpose. The bus driver's action was a protest against that purpose. Not more nor less (You tell me what that purpose was....) A few years ago there were posters of girls to promote bathing suits on buses in Israel. The ultra religious groups protested that such pictures should not be dsplayed in their niebourhood. The comotion was great with similar slogans as on this string.... Guess how it ended... "women's rights" joined with the Ultra Orthodox because of the abuse of womens' bodies for financial purposes. All the posters were removed and since then NOWHERE in Israeli public do they appear thus. Atheists are as much a 'religion' as ny other. Just as it is not possible to 'prove' the existance of A Creator. Thus, and even harder it is to negate it. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 0:22:17 GMT
It is clear the British Humanist Assoc. is attempting to put its beliefs and doctrines in place of those of any and all spiritual religions. Exactly. It's a non-religious belief system. Just dump the religious mumbo-jumbo and it's what any reasonable religious person would agree to. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 0:27:51 GMT
Atheists are as much a 'religion' as ny other. Just as it is not possible to 'prove' the existance of A Creator. Thus, and even harder it is to negate it. Non-religion is not a religion any more than non-smoking is a way of smoking. The 'creator' is any one of thousands of creators in the mythologies of the world. Religious people promote their own god and deny all the others. Atheists go one god further. |
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Post by tarrant on Jan 18, 2009 0:57:53 GMT
The term non-religion is your Bertrus.
You are being misled by these people into believeing that rationalism can deal with every aspect.
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Post by voice on Jan 18, 2009 5:12:56 GMT
and you are once again attempting to say the rational is on the same level as myth and superstition, which is clearly not the case. Religion is based on belief in the invisable and uprovable, and religions refute all other religions immaginarry stuff, but their own. Then then go one step further and attempt to lower reason and logic to the same level of nonsence by saying cos for instance we have a theary of evolution so cos its a theory its belif bases which is nonsence, but as I've already said they have been doing in the face reason for centuaries, if we were still under the strickt dogma of the church the would be flat ffs
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Post by avieder on Jan 18, 2009 6:32:05 GMT
Atheists are as much a 'religion' as ny other. Just as it is not possible to 'prove' the existance of A Creator. Thus, and even harder it is to negate it. Non-religion is not a religion any more than non-smoking is a way of smoking. The 'creator' is any one of thousands of creators in the mythologies of the world. Religious people promote their own god and deny all the others. Atheists go one god further. EXACTLY !!!! Thank you Bertrus True that all religions are based on the belief in a G-d but that is only the basis. Religion is more of a way of life, laws of society, family. A 7 day week is religious. "Thou shall not murder", or steal or lie, all stem from a religious root. Different religions have further laws like the Hindus who sanctify the life of cows (I think), or Kosher food for Jews or Ramadan fasting to Muslims. The existence of G-d is taken for granted. I shall ask again: Is there Gravity? |
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Post by Scooby Do on Jan 18, 2009 8:29:04 GMT
It is clear the British Humanist Assoc. is attempting to put its beliefs and doctrines in place of those of any and all spiritual religions.
All religions do that.
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