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Post by perrykneeham on Feb 25, 2018 21:59:13 GMT
That seems reasonable. It would be interestimg to learn if Corbyn's economic objections were more about solidarity with the trades unions' position.
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Post by nobody on Feb 25, 2018 23:21:26 GMT
I'm pretty sure that Corbyn's cabinet don't really know what they believe on the EU. They keep trying to do contradictory things. They try and present the Tory position as "immoral" yet only offer economic opposition. At the same time they don't want to scare Labour racists, so they're very carefully avoiding saying too much, and never, ever say anything about EU migration. This despite Corbyn's reputation among Labour-fans as being a plain speaker, who'll take the moral high ground. Just because he did on the Iraq war. Even more ironic, Corbyn's traditional opposition to the EU has all been about the economic stuff, so coming back on the Customs Union but not the other parts of membership looks doubly cynical. Corbyn’s shadow cabinet, put together by the Labour leader who never held a cabinet position Roger the cabin boy, put in charge of the ship How fcuking desperate. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 26, 2018 1:33:38 GMT
They've finally come up with a scheme to make an agreement with the EU on a Customs Union after Brexit. This is a bid to bring down the Tory government and position themselves for a Labour election win. Parliament can run till 2022 but I don't think the Tories will last anything like that long.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 26, 2018 4:53:53 GMT
Exactly. It's entirely a political move - to in part undermine the Tory government and to peel off the soft-Brexit tories who're freaked out by Rees-Moggery. I think a good tactical move. But not a one of them believes in it - they either believe in a harder Brexit economically, while retaining other European cooperation, or they are full Remainers. I don't think there's a single Labour MP who thinks this is actually an ideal outcome. Although they probably most agree that it's a less bad outcome than what's generally being offered by the government.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 26, 2018 9:18:35 GMT
It's a compromise. That's politics.
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Post by perrykneeham on Feb 26, 2018 10:06:25 GMT
It's a compromise. That's politics. Mark! |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 26, 2018 11:16:05 GMT
Jeremy is showing he is streets ahead of Theresa May with a statesmanlike speech on Britain's future outside the EU.
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Post by nobody on Feb 26, 2018 13:16:26 GMT
Hahaha
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Post by moggyonspeed on Feb 26, 2018 14:11:57 GMT
The day that Corbyn becomes a UK statesman is the day that the UK really can switch the lights off.
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Post by mids on Feb 26, 2018 14:20:09 GMT
Agent COB seems to be proposing that the EU would have some control over our trade deals with other nations while we would have no reciprocal say. If I've read it right.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 26, 2018 15:19:50 GMT
The day that Corbyn becomes a UK statesman is the day that the UK really can switch the lights off. Have you noticed that Boris Johnson is the UK foreign secretary? And you're worried about Corbyn being a UK statesman? |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 26, 2018 15:23:32 GMT
Agent COB seems to be proposing that the EU would have some control over our trade deals with other nations while we would have no reciprocal say. If I've read it right. Well, that's what happens when you leave the EU yet want some reciprocal rights with the EU. Obviously, it makes more sense to stay in the EU completely and actually have some control. But, as the Brextremists and related morons keep telling us, "We won". So, apparently, there's literally no alternative to leaving the EU. The 52% demand that no matter how much control we lose, we must be out. So, we're saying goodbye to having control over our trade deals. |
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Post by nobody on Feb 26, 2018 15:36:23 GMT
The day that Corbyn becomes a UK statesman is the day that the UK really can switch the lights off. Have you noticed that Boris Johnson is the UK foreign secretary? And you're worried about Corbyn being a UK statesman? And Abbott taking his place is ok with you?😀😀😀😀 |
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Post by mids on Feb 26, 2018 15:45:44 GMT
Agent COB seems to be proposing that the EU would have some control over our trade deals with other nations while we would have no reciprocal say. If I've read it right. Well, that's what happens when you leave the EU yet want some reciprocal rights with the EU. Obviously, it makes more sense to stay in the EU completely and actually have some control. But, as the Brextremists and related morons keep telling us, "We won". So, apparently, there's literally no alternative to leaving the EU. The 52% demand that no matter how much control we lose, we must be out. So, we're saying goodbye to having control over our trade deals. So what you're saying is... Agent COB is literally a moron and we should walk away with no deal? I agree that we either have Brexit (no such thing as hard or soft Brexit, it's just Brexit) and leave or stay in. We voted to leave so that's what we should. If Remain had won, would we be having a conversation about hard or soft stay? |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 26, 2018 15:50:59 GMT
Have you noticed that Boris Johnson is the UK foreign secretary? And you're worried about Corbyn being a UK statesman? And Abbott taking his place is ok with you?😀😀😀😀 Where did I say that? Are you having trouble joining up the thoughts? I was just saying that we needn't worry about Britain switching the lights off because a comically idiotic laughing stock might become a statesman. We've already gone way past that point. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 26, 2018 15:52:48 GMT
Well, that's what happens when you leave the EU yet want some reciprocal rights with the EU. Obviously, it makes more sense to stay in the EU completely and actually have some control. But, as the Brextremists and related morons keep telling us, "We won". So, apparently, there's literally no alternative to leaving the EU. The 52% demand that no matter how much control we lose, we must be out. So, we're saying goodbye to having control over our trade deals. So what you're saying is... Agent COB is literally a moron and we should walk away with no deal? I agree that we either have Brexit (no such thing as hard or soft Brexit, it's just Brexit) and leave or stay in. We voted to leave so that's what we should. If Remain had won, would we be having a conversation about hard or soft stay? Almost - we can remain, which is clearly the best option, but is no longer on the table. So now we're left with one of - abandoning a bunch of control while making ourselves a bit poorer - retaining full control over trade deals while immiserating ourselves massively. |
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Post by moggyonspeed on Feb 26, 2018 16:02:26 GMT
The day that Corbyn becomes a UK statesman is the day that the UK really can switch the lights off. Have you noticed that Boris Johnson is the UK foreign secretary? And you're worried about Corbyn being a UK statesman? Andy - I totally agree, but to replace one buffoon with another on the international stage doesn't fill me with much hope. I suspect that JC could do a lot more damage to this country both economically and internationally than BJ who, thus far, has demonstrated merely that the UK is no place for good haircuts or sartorial elegance. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 26, 2018 16:18:57 GMT
I think you're understating the damage Johnson has done, although his spectacular uselessness means that he mostly damages Britain through inaction rather than action.
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Post by nobody on Feb 26, 2018 16:46:20 GMT
And Abbott taking his place is ok with you?😀😀😀😀 Where did I say that? Are you having trouble joining up the thoughts? I was just saying that we needn't worry about Britain switching the lights off because a comically idiotic laughing stock might become a statesman. We've already gone way past that point. Just filling in the gaps, it’s what people do here. Some just make stuff up |
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Post by mids on Feb 26, 2018 18:02:13 GMT
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