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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 12:20:48 GMT
Corbyn will demand minimum wage for all, and push up the cost of living Equality though. Indeed, everybody will be poor, sitting under the spreading chestnut tree, drinking Victory Gin, and waiting for the ,,,,,,,,, |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 13:10:14 GMT
The Tory government would collapse without the support of the Northern Ireland DUP. Theresa May also has to keep together the warring factions in her own party. There's every possibility that Remainers in the Tory Party will vote against the government on Brexit. A Corbyn government is not unlikely.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 13:22:53 GMT
Not below the minimum wage. Not legally at any rate. This means that there have to be strong unions to ensure that employers don't exploit those working for them. The minimum wage doesn't apply to the self-employed, so it's open to any enterprising Brits to set up their high-quality car-washing company and Britain First Brexiters will give preference to them, obviously.
There isn't any large over supply of workers. On the contrary. The UK has record levels of employment. Nobody is going to 'willingly' accept illegally low pay. With enforcement of employment law by the government and strong unions that wouldn't happen a lot.
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Post by mids on Feb 28, 2018 14:05:23 GMT
There are strenuous efforts to get murdering terrorist political party, Sinn Fein, to take their seats in parliament. If that happens May and Brexit could be in trouble.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 14:43:06 GMT
Not below the minimum wage. Not legally at any rate. This means that there have to be strong unions to ensure that employers don't exploit those working for them. The minimum wage doesn't apply to the self-employed, so it's open to any enterprising Brits to set up their high-quality car-washing company and Britain First Brexiters will give preference to them, obviously. There isn't any large over supply of workers. On the contrary. The UK has record levels of employment. Nobody is going to 'willingly' accept illegally low pay. With enforcement of employment law by the government and strong unions that wouldn't happen a lot. The evidence is to the contrary. Where the poles have fled the locals are able to demand above minimum wage. No unions no enforcement of employment law. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 15:30:26 GMT
Quite interesting: www.economist.com/news/britain/21736178-harrogates-downward-migration-trend-few-years-ahead-britains-how-it-faringOne is a tighter labour market. On the high street, dozens of shops display help-wanted notices. Care homes, of which the town has several, have seen a jump in vacancies. Waiters are in high demand. Costas, a Greek barman, has had three jobs in the past few months. When a branch of the Ivy, a fancy restaurant, opened in November it sucked in roughly 100 staff from local eateries, says the manager of a pizza joint. Unemployment has fallen to 3.6%, below the national and regional levels, allowing some workers to drive harder bargains. Though real median wages in Harrogate have not changed much since 2014, at the lower end they have risen by 9%.Another strategy is to lure younger and older workers into the labour market. Some businesses in Harrogate are paying teenagers well above their minimum wage of £4.05 ($5.70) per hour, to tempt them into work. Matthew Roberts, an economic-development officer at Harrogate Borough Council, says that as the population continues to age, employers will have to rely on older people to fill jobs.it's not something I've ever really understood, this fixation that cheap immigant labour is a good thing for the economy. it may well be for employers and businesses. There's been repeated insistence that it doesn't drive down wages but I fail to understand that. Last week I had a team of Romanians clean my car for a pittance, a Polish woman clean chateau ming and a Hungarian install my bathroom. The Hungarain I get, because he is f*cking good at what he does and reliable, but how is it good to have a team of romanians living in a skip cleaning cars? Well, the trouble is that you're not going to bother to spend the money if you're going to get a sh*t product or someone incompetent doing a shoddy job for lots of cash. It's not really a problem if you're driving a filthy car because you're unwilling to spend a hundred quid for a spotty youth to smear the dirt around a bit and walk off. But if there's a massive shortage of bathroom fitters, and what's left are crappy British cowboys who'll take months, leave fittings askew, not seal the tiles properly or crack them, and so on (which was my experience in London until I found a friendly Polish dude and his team of Poles and Lithuanians, who were sh*t hot), are you going to be willing to pay 30,000 quid for the privilege of having that done? Or are you just going to say "Nah, this bathroom will do for the time being" and leave what's currently in place? If you're going out to dine in Harrogate, and prices have one up 30% because staff costs are rising like crazy, and then the service is utterly terrible because they're just entitled kids who've never had competition for their jobs so they can get away with anything, perhaps you'll decide to stay home instead. And the end result is that your life is worse, and the economy is also weaker, the British staff get laid off, the Hungarians and Romanians lives are worse. I'm not sure why you think that the "left" want to make everyone's lives more miserable. Making everyones lives more miserable because they don't like the accents of their car cleaners seems to be an approach of the right wing, not the left. |
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Post by mids on Feb 28, 2018 15:46:29 GMT
Remainers' latest hero: John Major.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 16:58:24 GMT
"The worst pay and most strikes were in the Nationalized Industries." wkc
A touch simplistic, that. Pay may be relatively low, but the jobs are (were?) pretty much guaranteed for life with plenty of perks, like OT, good hols and sick pay, with a nice pension at the end. I agree with you re. strikes: most nationalised industries have/had been plagued with gobshite union reps for years. And Corbyn reminds me of one.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2018 17:01:58 GMT
Here it's much the same (as FA's post above): we looked about for builders to put in a couple of dormer windows, but in the end found 2 Polish guys who worked like the clappers for a week, put them in well, and charged a quarter of the other lowest estimates.
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Post by mids on Feb 28, 2018 17:19:19 GMT
I think it's great that posh people can get East European plumbers and builders, who live 10 to an old shed, to come and massively undercut hard working, family supporting indigenous builders to the point where the indigenous tradeshumen are out on the street with their awful white brats. No, really, it's brilliant for the posh people. I'm happy for them.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 17:20:14 GMT
Quite interesting: www.economist.com/news/britain/21736178-harrogates-downward-migration-trend-few-years-ahead-britains-how-it-faringOne is a tighter labour market. On the high street, dozens of shops display help-wanted notices. Care homes, of which the town has several, have seen a jump in vacancies. Waiters are in high demand. Costas, a Greek barman, has had three jobs in the past few months. When a branch of the Ivy, a fancy restaurant, opened in November it sucked in roughly 100 staff from local eateries, says the manager of a pizza joint. Unemployment has fallen to 3.6%, below the national and regional levels, allowing some workers to drive harder bargains. Though real median wages in Harrogate have not changed much since 2014, at the lower end they have risen by 9%.Another strategy is to lure younger and older workers into the labour market. Some businesses in Harrogate are paying teenagers well above their minimum wage of £4.05 ($5.70) per hour, to tempt them into work. Matthew Roberts, an economic-development officer at Harrogate Borough Council, says that as the population continues to age, employers will have to rely on older people to fill jobs.it's not something I've ever really understood, this fixation that cheap immigant labour is a good thing for the economy. it may well be for employers and businesses. There's been repeated insistence that it doesn't drive down wages but I fail to understand that. Last week I had a team of Romanians clean my car for a pittance, a Polish woman clean chateau ming and a Hungarian install my bathroom. The Hungarain I get, because he is f*cking good at what he does and reliable, but how is it good to have a team of romanians living in a skip cleaning cars? Well, the trouble is that you're not going to bother to spend the money if you're going to get a sh*t product or someone incompetent doing a shoddy job for lots of cash. It's not really a problem if you're driving a filthy car because you're unwilling to spend a hundred quid for a spotty youth to smear the dirt around a bit and walk off. But if there's a massive shortage of bathroom fitters, and what's left are crappy British cowboys who'll take months, leave fittings askew, not seal the tiles properly or crack them, and so on (which was my experience in London until I found a friendly Polish dude and his team of Poles and Lithuanians, who were sh*t hot), are you going to be willing to pay 30,000 quid for the privilege of having that done? Or are you just going to say "Nah, this bathroom will do for the time being" and leave what's currently in place? If you're going out to dine in Harrogate, and prices have one up 30% because staff costs are rising like crazy, and then the service is utterly terrible because they're just entitled kids who've never had competition for their jobs so they can get away with anything, perhaps you'll decide to stay home instead. And the end result is that your life is worse, and the economy is also weaker, the British staff get laid off, the Hungarians and Romanians lives are worse. I'm not sure why you think that the "left" want to make everyone's lives more miserable. Making everyones lives more miserable because they don't like the accents of their car cleaners seems to be an approach of the right wing, not the left. That is bereft of sense. It's just moaning for the sake of moaning. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 17:23:31 GMT
Here it's much the same (as FA's post above): we looked about for builders to put in a couple of dormer windows, but in the end found 2 Polish guys who worked like the clappers for a week, put them in well, and charged a quarter of the other lowest estimates. Some friends of mine are doing up a place in France. they tried the cheap poles route but then got virtually boycotted by every frenchie supplier and tradesman. Had to revert back to Pierre et fils. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 17:28:35 GMT
That is bereft of sense. It's just moaning for the sake of moaning. Are you suggesting that if crappy things cost a fortune, people will still buy them rather than making do? |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 17:36:19 GMT
That is bereft of sense. It's just moaning for the sake of moaning. Are you suggesting that if crappy things cost a fortune, people will still buy them rather than making do?
If you're going out to dine in Harrogate, and prices have one up 30% because staff costs are rising like crazy, and then the service is utterly terrible because they're just entitled kids who've never had competition for their jobs so they can get away with anything, perhaps you'll decide to stay home instead.Why would that be the case given and I quote: " The millennials that I deal with all seem fine and fairly well grounded. Particularly given how f**k**g useless their moronic helicopter parents have been. It's all the previous generation who set everything up so their kids were always given good grades because they strong-armed schools. And who had to make sure the kids were on "playdates" rather than just meeting friends. It's not the millennial generation that's f**k*d, it's Gen X who is so f**k*d in the head.
The millennials are really well balanced considering that they're coming of age knowing that they won't get pensions, that they won't be able to afford to buy a house, and so on. As a result, they're setting their priorities a bit differently, and I can't blame them. I'm sure some are sad-sack entitled fruitcakes, but that's true in every generation." |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 17:40:59 GMT
I see the connection you're trying to make. But I'm not saying that the service will be bad because it's supplied by teenagers.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 17:43:07 GMT
Why is it going to be bad then?
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 17:52:15 GMT
Are you suggesting the lack of competition is a good thing?
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Post by perrykneeham on Feb 28, 2018 17:53:33 GMT
That is bereft of sense. It's just moaning for the sake of moaning. Are you suggesting that if crappy things cost a fortune, people will still buy them rather than making do? Well, in the most obvious case, the NHS, most people have no choice. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 17:58:00 GMT
Are you suggesting the lack of competition is a good thing? Why don't you try answering the question or making a more sensible case. I'm saying the lowest earners being paid 9% more is a good thing. I'm saying teens being paid above minimum wage is a good thing. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 18:02:21 GMT
I agree. But why not increase the minimum wage by 9% and still have competition for those jobs?
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