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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 18:11:38 GMT
I agree. But why not increase the minimum wage by 9% and still have competition for those jobs? Because that's a stupid idea. And there is still competition for the jobs. You still haven't answered why restaurant service is going to go to the dogs and why millenials can't wash a car. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Feb 28, 2018 18:39:42 GMT
Cuh! Lefties.
No idea.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 20:29:51 GMT
That's democracy.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 20:35:13 GMT
Everybody is entitled to the minimum wage. It's the law.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 20:40:11 GMT
Not below the minimum wage. Not legally at any rate. This means that there have to be strong unions to ensure that employers don't exploit those working for them. The minimum wage doesn't apply to the self-employed, so it's open to any enterprising Brits to set up their high-quality car-washing company and Britain First Brexiters will give preference to them, obviously. There isn't any large over supply of workers. On the contrary. The UK has record levels of employment. Nobody is going to 'willingly' accept illegally low pay. With enforcement of employment law by the government and strong unions that wouldn't happen a lot. No not below the miminimum wage but they have no incentive to pay a penny above it. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 20:43:11 GMT
Everybody is entitled to the minimum wage. It's the law. Nobody disputed that. Any Chance you could address the point? |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 20:43:38 GMT
Quite interesting: www.economist.com/news/britain/21736178-harrogates-downward-migration-trend-few-years-ahead-britains-how-it-faringOne is a tighter labour market. On the high street, dozens of shops display help-wanted notices. Care homes, of which the town has several, have seen a jump in vacancies. Waiters are in high demand. Costas, a Greek barman, has had three jobs in the past few months. When a branch of the Ivy, a fancy restaurant, opened in November it sucked in roughly 100 staff from local eateries, says the manager of a pizza joint. Unemployment has fallen to 3.6%, below the national and regional levels, allowing some workers to drive harder bargains. Though real median wages in Harrogate have not changed much since 2014, at the lower end they have risen by 9%.Another strategy is to lure younger and older workers into the labour market. Some businesses in Harrogate are paying teenagers well above their minimum wage of £4.05 ($5.70) per hour, to tempt them into work. Matthew Roberts, an economic-development officer at Harrogate Borough Council, says that as the population continues to age, employers will have to rely on older people to fill jobs.it's not something I've ever really understood, this fixation that cheap immigant labour is a good thing for the economy. it may well be for employers and businesses. There's been repeated insistence that it doesn't drive down wages but I fail to understand that. Last week I had a team of Romanians clean my car for a pittance, a Polish woman clean chateau ming and a Hungarian install my bathroom. The Hungarain I get, because he is f*cking good at what he does and reliable, but how is it good to have a team of romanians living in a skip cleaning cars? Well, the trouble is that you're not going to bother to spend the money if you're going to get a sh*t product or someone incompetent doing a shoddy job for lots of cash. It's not really a problem if you're driving a filthy car because you're unwilling to spend a hundred quid for a spotty youth to smear the dirt around a bit and walk off. But if there's a massive shortage of bathroom fitters, and what's left are crappy British cowboys who'll take months, leave fittings askew, not seal the tiles properly or crack them, and so on (which was my experience in London until I found a friendly Polish dude and his team of Poles and Lithuanians, who were sh*t hot), are you going to be willing to pay 30,000 quid for the privilege of having that done? Or are you just going to say "Nah, this bathroom will do for the time being" and leave what's currently in place? If you're going out to dine in Harrogate, and prices have one up 30% because staff costs are rising like crazy, and then the service is utterly terrible because they're just entitled kids who've never had competition for their jobs so they can get away with anything, perhaps you'll decide to stay home instead. And the end result is that your life is worse, and the economy is also weaker, the British staff get laid off, the Hungarians and Romanians lives are worse. I'm not sure why you think that the "left" want to make everyone's lives more miserable. Making everyones lives more miserable because they don't like the accents of their car cleaners seems to be an approach of the right wing, not the left. A 9% increase in wages at the lower end suggests that people are willing to spend the money. The other thing I tend not to understand is that the same left who seem fine with depressed wages at the low end also have no issue with being fairly racist about British workers? I am sure there are sh*t British workers, just like there a sh*t workers from all national backgrounds. If a workers shows they are consistently underperforming you fire them. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 20:45:10 GMT
Who's being racist about British workers?
I want to know why the right suddenly hates competition.
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 20:47:03 GMT
The minimum wage doesn't apply to the self-employed.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 20:47:55 GMT
Are you suggesting the lack of competition is a good thing? There will still be competition for jobs. They will just be able to negotiate a better wage. And it’s odd that it’s assumed lower competition at the bottom end means sh*t workers yet in highly skilled specialist areas we don’t make the same assumption. This is just class snobbery pure and simple. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 20:48:09 GMT
Who's being racist about British workers? I want to know why the right suddenly hates competition. You are. I am anti posh people looking down their noses at the working class and cheering anything that depresses their standard of living and the wages they can negotiate. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 20:53:24 GMT
That's where trade unions come in.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 21:19:10 GMT
Who's being racist about British workers? I want to know why the right suddenly hates competition. The right doesn't hate competition. It's a stupid comment. Not all competition is good. Starbucks competing with Mrs McGintty's coffee shop by moving their profits overseas isn't good. If I check in for a triple bypass I don't want the Dr with fastest time. Some competition is good, in the right place. It's an imbecilic comment. Let's just cover off why millenials can't clean cars, shall we and stop running red mullets. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 22:11:46 GMT
Millennials can clean cars as well as Gen Xers. But if nobody is competing for car-cleaning business, the car cleaner can ramp up prices and do a shoddy job and not worry about it.
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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 22:13:25 GMT
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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 22:15:15 GMT
Millennials can clean cars as well as Gen Xers. But if nobody is competing for car-cleaning business, the car cleaner can ramp up prices and do a shoddy job and not worry about it. That’s just nonsense. If I have mine cleaned, and not happy with it. a, I complain b, Don’t use them again |
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Post by mids on Feb 28, 2018 22:25:17 GMT
The car wash thing is really odd. Before Romanians turned and started washing our cars, we just went to automatic car washes or did it outrselves. A bunch of people came here and brought an industry that barely existed before and people bought into it as if it had been here all along. And if it disappears I don't think we'll miss it much, just go back to what we did before. Queer.
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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 22:28:06 GMT
The minimum wage doesn't apply to the self-employed. That contradicts what you said a few posts ago |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 22:34:07 GMT
Sinn Féin has
23 members in the lower house in the Irish Parliament
7 senators in the upper house
27 members in the Nothern Ireland Assembly
7 MPs elected to the UK House of Commons
4 MEPs in the European Parliament
That's democracy.
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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 22:38:52 GMT
Wrong again.
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