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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 22:40:42 GMT
Millennials can clean cars as well as Gen Xers. But if nobody is competing for car-cleaning business, the car cleaner can ramp up prices and do a shoddy job and not worry about it. Why is this only a worry for low skilled jobs though. Educated people in shortage areas can leverage that to command higher wages but nobody assumes this means that those workers must necessarily be crap. Besides your analogy doesn’t work because car cleaning is not a necessity. If a car cleaning business does shoddy work, then people won’t pay to go there. Much as if my cleaner does a sh*t job I won’t continue to employ her. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 22:42:20 GMT
The car wash thing is really odd. Before Romanians turned and started washing our cars, we just went to automatic car washes or did it outrselves. A bunch of people came here and brought an industry that barely existed before and people bought into it as if it had been here all along. And if it disappears I don't think we'll miss it much, just go back to what we did before. Queer. It’s an odd logic. Services businesses by definition are frequently non necessary. With less competition if the remaining car washers decide to do a sh*t job they will just go out of business as people return to washing their cars themselves. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 22:51:59 GMT
If the gig economy closes down, we'll just have to do without it. Or if it's regulated and prices go up, you'll have to pay them or do without. If you can't get an Uber cab, you can take a black cab or public transport. If the Romanians that washed your car in the driveway aren't doing it any more, you can go to the Romanian car wash and pay more.
If Chinese restaurants are closed down and only British cooking allowed, you'll have to put up with it when you go out for a meal. When football clubs aren't allowed to pay a million quid a month to foreign players, you can watch previously unemployed Brits instead.
Xenophobia is no basis for running a country. But, of course, it's selective xenophobia. The idea is to set up a huge bureaucracy to issue visas and police foreigners, so that we get only the people 'we' want.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Feb 28, 2018 22:52:07 GMT
Millennials can clean cars as well as Gen Xers. But if nobody is competing for car-cleaning business, the car cleaner can ramp up prices and do a shoddy job and not worry about it. Why is nobody competing? |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 23:07:06 GMT
Theresa May's government is propped up by the Northern Irish DUP. If the Northern Irish MPs from Sinn Féin take their seats, they'll reduce the support Theresa gets from Northern Ireland.
The Irish Prime Minister has taken the extraordinary step of urging Sinn Fein to end its 100-year-old boycott of Westminster, But Leo Varadkar said Sinn Fein had the chance to “make things better for Ireland”, by helping to defeat Theresa May’s plans to pull Britain out of the EU’s customs union. (The Independent)
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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 23:20:12 GMT
Theresa May's government is propped up by the Northern Irish DUP. If the Northern Irish MPs from Sinn Féin take their seats, they'll reduce the support Theresa gets from Northern Ireland. The Irish Prime Minister has taken the extraordinary step of urging Sinn Fein to end its 100-year-old boycott of Westminster, But Leo Varadkar said Sinn Fein had the chance to “make things better for Ireland”, by helping to defeat Theresa May’s plans to pull Britain out of the EU’s customs union. (The Independent)Crap |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 23:24:44 GMT
As well as the role that Sinn Fein could play in bringing down the Tory government, together with the other opposition parties and Tory rebels, it has 27 members in the Northern Ireland Assembly, second to DUP, which has 28.
The Northern Ireland Assembly was created as part of the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. The proportional representation electoral system and the rules of the Assembly have been designed so that Irish Nationalists and Ulster Loyalists get to share power. This arrangement has broken down and the Assembly isn't functioning. This is another complication in the Brexit story, since the Assembly, potentially, has influence in the outcome of the Brexit deal for Northern Ireland.
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 23:29:52 GMT
If the gig economy closes down, we'll just have to do without it. Or if it's regulated and prices go up, you'll have to pay them or do without. If you can't get an Uber cab, you can take a black cab or public transport. If the Romanians that washed your car in the driveway aren't doing it any more, you can go to the Romanian car wash and pay more. If Chinese restaurants are closed down and only British cooking allowed, you'll have to put up with it when you go out for a meal. When football clubs aren't allowed to pay a million quid a month to foreign players, you can watch previously unemployed Brits instead. Xenophobia is no basis for running a country. But, of course, it's selective xenophobia. The idea is to set up a huge bureaucracy to issue visas and police foreigners, so that we get only the people 'we' want. This is quite mad. The discussion is the intact of uncommon trolled migration on the wages of the poorest among us and you start banging on about footballers earning a million quid a month and Chinese restaurants? |
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Post by nobody on Feb 28, 2018 23:33:47 GMT
I have reached the conclusion Bert is some kind of troll
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 23:36:29 GMT
Millennials can clean cars as well as Gen Xers. But if nobody is competing for car-cleaning business, the car cleaner can ramp up prices and do a shoddy job and not worry about it. That’s just nonsense. If I have mine cleaned, and not happy with it. a, I complain b, Don’t use them again Which is my point |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 23:37:41 GMT
That’s just nonsense. If I have mine cleaned, and not happy with it. a, I complain b, Don’t use them again Which is my point Well not really. You seem to think with limited competition, non essential service companies will happily go out of business rather than provide a good service (and pay to get workers.) You also seem to suggest if thy have to pay more due to less intense competition for the jobs then the workers they get will all be sh*t. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 28, 2018 23:39:16 GMT
The car wash thing is really odd. Before Romanians turned and started washing our cars, we just went to automatic car washes or did it outrselves. A bunch of people came here and brought an industry that barely existed before and people bought into it as if it had been here all along. And if it disappears I don't think we'll miss it much, just go back to what we did before. Queer. It’s an odd logic. Services businesses by definition are frequently non necessary. With less competition if the remaining car washers decide to do a sh*t job they will just go out of business as people return to washing their cars themselves. Which is kind of my point - extra people in the economy providing good services at costs people are willing to pay mean that you, Mids, Scoobs and the rest might spend that money to get your car cleaned. The alternative is that you stay home and clean it yourself, or drive a dirty car. It's not particularly harmful but it gets money out of the economy, with the end result that the economy is smaller than it would otherwise be. And everyone eventually ends up a bit poorer. You're treating the economy as a zero sum calculation, which it's not. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 23:44:32 GMT
It’s an odd logic. Services businesses by definition are frequently non necessary. With less competition if the remaining car washers decide to do a sh*t job they will just go out of business as people return to washing their cars themselves. Which is kind of my point - extra people in the economy providing good services at costs people are willing to pay mean that you, Mids, Scoobs and the rest might spend that money to get your car cleaned. The alternative is that you stay home and clean it yourself, or drive a dirty car. It's not particularly harmful but it gets money out of the economy, with the end result that the economy is smaller than it would otherwise be. And everyone eventually ends up a bit poorer. You're treating the economy as a zero sum calculation, which it's not. You forget the other alternative - the service is still available except the workers who provide, the lowest paid among us, can actually negotiate a better rate of pay. I don’t get why this is a bad thing. |
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Post by Repat Van on Feb 28, 2018 23:47:47 GMT
I have reached the conclusion Bert is some kind of troll I just think he’s stupid. He does a lot of copy/ paste but doesn’t seem to understand what he has posted. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Feb 28, 2018 23:50:13 GMT
That's all 'immigration'. There are 7.4 million people living in the UK who were not born in the country. Millions more whose parents, one or both, were immigrants. Naturally, there is the same range of people and situations that you get among the natives, everybody from rough sleepers to billionaires.
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Post by bertruss2 on Mar 1, 2018 0:31:47 GMT
Sorry. I can't do anything about the intelligence gap.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 1, 2018 0:54:29 GMT
Sorry. I can't do anything about the intelligence gap. Yes, it has been noticed... |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 1, 2018 0:55:12 GMT
That's all 'immigration'. There are 7.4 million people living in the UK who were not born in the country. Millions more whose parents, one or both, were immigrants. Naturally, there is the same range of people and situations that you get among the natives, everybody from rough sleepers to billionaires. See: stupid. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 7:32:39 GMT
Here it's much the same (as FA's post above): we looked about for builders to put in a couple of dormer windows, but in the end found 2 Polish guys who worked like the clappers for a week, put them in well, and charged a quarter of the other lowest estimates. Some friends of mine are doing up a place in France. they tried the cheap poles route but then got virtually boycotted by every frenchie supplier and tradesman. Had to revert back to Pierre et fils. Oh, I tried the local artisans but they took weeks to provide an estimate, then couldn't do it for months. We had to get it done before the onset of winter. I get on fine with the local guys anyway. Speaking French always helps. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Mar 1, 2018 8:14:32 GMT
I think they had hired someone who was a little tactless with the natives.
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