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Post by Repat Van on Jul 5, 2016 8:08:38 GMT
I think we've done EU aid to the regions to death haven't we? The UK's regional aid programme precedes the EU by a long time. EU aid is just re-badged UK money being repatriated after being docked admin fees. We did all this months ago. It's weird how the remainiacs can't see this. Mind you, they're nanny-staters who also can't understand that all money doesn't naturally originate from and belong to national governments. They must see the EU like an even bigger, fatter and therefore more appealing super-nanny. It's actually worrying the amount of people who don't understand where government money comes from. The amount of people I know who argue for increased government spending yet complain about their tax levels...
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Post by lala on Jul 5, 2016 9:11:13 GMT
I suspect if the money didn't go to Europe and then back to us in the form of aid, Osborne would be taking his chainsaw to it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2016 12:47:00 GMT
Oh yes. At least the EU gets to apportion some of it to the people.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 5, 2016 13:42:22 GMT
I think we've done EU aid to the regions to death haven't we? The UK's regional aid programme precedes the EU by a long time. EU aid is just re-badged UK money being repatriated after being docked admin fees. We did all this months ago. Net, it's obviously no different from UK money. Except two things - we'll still need to pay into the EU if we want access to the single market, the same way Norway and Switzerland and Iceland do. Which means it's possible that we won't repatriate this money while we will lose the benefit. But even if we did repatriate all the money we know full well that if any UK government of the last 37 years had "350 million quid a week" they'd use it to cut taxes to the likes of Philip Green, or to fill in the holes in pensions left by the likes of Philip Green. Or they'd use it to try and reduce the deficit at a point where long-term borrowing is cheap
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 5, 2016 13:57:31 GMT
Of all the stupid people the most stupid were those who believed that a gov that took £12b kicking the crutches from disabled folk was going to redirect the £10.5b EU fees building a new hospital every two weeks. Thick c*nts.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 5, 2016 16:35:09 GMT
What happens now? Well, from what I see and hear, the same Establishment which was so complacent and out of touch that they failed to sell the idea of free water to a thirsty man is now preparing the electorate for Bragain?
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Post by flatandy on Jul 5, 2016 16:45:05 GMT
Are you resigned to that, Baloo?
Or do you see any meaningful way of negotiating an exit that doesn't either leave us effectively back where we started or massively damaged? And if you do, is there anyone in the political establishment who is going to be willing to do that and also be capable of it?
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 5, 2016 16:52:12 GMT
No, I'm not resigned to it.
There's plenty of scope for renegotiation. You shouldn't just go through life stating your opinion as established fact.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 5, 2016 16:56:06 GMT
Renegotiation outside of the EU, or inside? And do you see a UK outside of the EU actually no longer adhering to rulings by the EFTA court, no longer having free movement, etc? And if not, don't you think a large majority of Brexit voters will feel like they've been conned?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 6:51:10 GMT
Although I'm not so sure, regarding the aftermath, who's been doing the conning. As I said a couple of weeks back, this could almost have been a Cameron and Co. coup, where the agitators have been kicked into touch, while saving an EU attack on their own offshore funds with an otherwise difficult to manipulate without looking bad Brexit. Two birds with one stone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 7:11:11 GMT
"commercial property funds run firms by Standard Life, Aviva and M&G that have stopped investors taking money out."
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Post by voice on Jul 6, 2016 16:00:45 GMT
its only just started, investment is on hold across the board, multinationals and looking elsewhere for their EU HQ placement, the pound might as well change its name to Lira. Votes really do have consequences, though I pitty those forced to suffer them when the difference was insignificant.
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Post by voice on Jul 6, 2016 17:27:42 GMT
contagion, its spreading to other investment banks, 6 now including Canada life.
Though Paris is already picking business otherwise done in the City.
Well done Dave.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 7, 2016 2:43:58 GMT
Well done Dave indeed.
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Post by nobody on Jul 7, 2016 7:26:06 GMT
Of all the stupid people the most stupid were those who believed that a gov that took £12b kicking the crutches from disabled folk was going to redirect the £10.5b EU fees building a new hospital every two weeks. Thick c*nts. Could the same be said of people who thought the NHS was safe as long as we stayed in the EU, and that the crutches wouldn't kicked from under the disabled?
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Jul 7, 2016 7:34:58 GMT
Or a stupid as the people who believed there would be an emergency budget and a tax hike if we voted Brexit.
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Post by bertruss2 on Jul 7, 2016 8:55:37 GMT
Or a stupid as the people who believed there would be an emergency budget and a tax hike if we voted Brexit. What has actually happened,so far, is that Osborne is preparing to cut taxes for business, putting a greater burden on ordinary taxpayers. British finance minister George Osborne is planning to cut corporation tax to less than 15 percent in an attempt to offset the shock to investors of the country's decision to leave the European Union, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 7, 2016 10:23:35 GMT
Or a stupid as the people who believed there would be an emergency budget and a tax hike if we voted Brexit. What has actually happened,so far, is that Osborne is preparing to cut taxes for business, putting a greater burden on ordinary taxpayers. British finance minister George Osborne is planning to cut corporation tax to less than 15 percent in an attempt to offset the shock to investors of the country's decision to leave the European Union, the Financial Times reported on Sunday.If it creates jobs and reduces tax avoidance is it a bad thing?
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Post by flatandy on Jul 7, 2016 13:43:49 GMT
That depends on how many other jobs are lost as a result of tax hikes elsewhere or as a result of lower government revenues and therefore lower government spending. (Hopefully, if we do it, George will just borrow to fund it, because borrowing is still dirt cheap for Britain).
Remember that even if you believe Laffer Curve bullshit, there's still an inflection point somewhere.
(Also, even if it does create jobs and reduce tax avoidance, that still means it's effectively an emergency budget, which I think is the point Bertie is making)
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Post by jimboky on Jul 7, 2016 13:46:03 GMT
reducing taxes is always a bad thing, one should pay at least 90% tax,
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