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Post by voice on Sept 10, 2019 22:00:39 GMT
Have to admit Bolron no longer in a position of influence has just made the world a tad safer.
The one good thing you can say about Trump, despite the grift, corruption, ineptitude and downright incompetence he's never found a fight he couldn't run from, so I suspect Bolton being all about war war war, it was never gonna work.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 11, 2019 6:06:32 GMT
What appears to have happened here is that the basing arrangements for USAF have changed (fact) Why has this happened? As for appearances of impropriety, if you really can't see funnelling taxpayer cash to the head of state might look improper, you've chosen to give your self a massive blind spot. End of Cold War basing requirements (far fewer US (and indeed allied) air bases suitable for military traffic. Changes in technology (better range) making some intermediate stops unecessary or moving where they need to be. Change of theatres. Changes in routing over certain countries. Security concerns for personnel staying in civvy accommodation. Could be loads of things. Hardly funneling. It looks much more like a happy coincidence that Trump has been able to offer subsidised accommodation. Yeah, it might help fill his hotel but, as you can't tell me if it's dearer than the alternative, that's a non-argument. The fair, rational interpretation is that there's a problem which works out well for everyone. Nobody's being forced. Result all round. Anything else is just spiteful, childish speculation. If it needs to be legislated against, it's a poor reflection on the kind of fragile cry-babies who spend their lives whining about what other people have got. The grown-ups will just get on with it.
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Post by jimboky on Sept 11, 2019 12:02:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2019 12:10:04 GMT
" It looks much more like a happy coincidence that Trump has been able to offer subsidised accommodation." Baloo
Hahahahahahahaha... yeah, right. And who covers the subsidy from which the Trump estate benefits? Pouring taxpayers' money into the president's pocket via one of his private enterprises is a bit dubious don't you think?
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 13:07:11 GMT
End of Cold War basing requirements (far fewer US (and indeed allied) air bases suitable for military traffic. Changes in technology (better range) making some intermediate stops unecessary or moving where they need to be. Change of theatres. Changes in routing over certain countries. Security concerns for personnel staying in civvy accommodation. Could be loads of things. So - the Cold War ended in 2016? - The changes in technology made Prestwick suddenly become appropriate for this route, even though you can't tell me what the route is and can't tell me what the technology is? - Which theatres appeared in 2016? You're making this all up
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 13:13:48 GMT
You can ignore NC3. Reps not winning that by a massive margin would be like Dems not winning downtown Boston by a massive margin. NC9 is more interesting. Trump's rally probably did help Reps in the rural/rural-suburban counties, looking at the numbers. Republicans look increasingly solid in those areas. But the seat as a whole swung 12% against Trump since 2016, and basically stayed the same as 2018. There are still about 40 GOP held House seats that are less Republican than this. The GOP were meant to be recovering from a 2018 low point, but haven't had any bounce at all. A lot of Republican congressmen are going to be worried next year unless they're in fully rural seats or Trump can turn it around dramatically.
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Post by jimboky on Sept 11, 2019 14:22:07 GMT
also interesting is that the Dem running didn't sound anything like AOC, you would think he was more Republican then Democrat,
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 15:16:04 GMT
I’m glad you noticed that. The Rep campaigning seemed to mostly be trying to tie him to Pressley and AOC, which doesn’t seem to have worked too well as a scare tactic.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 11, 2019 15:28:19 GMT
End of Cold War basing requirements (far fewer US (and indeed allied) air bases suitable for military traffic. Changes in technology (better range) making some intermediate stops unecessary or moving where they need to be. Change of theatres. Changes in routing over certain countries. Security concerns for personnel staying in civvy accommodation. Could be loads of things. So - the Cold War ended in 2016? - The changes in technology made Prestwick suddenly become appropriate for this route, even though you can't tell me what the route is and can't tell me what the technology is? - Which theatres appeared in 2016? You're making this all up That's just silly. Basing requirements don't change overnight, nor do strategic doctrines or threats. Forward deployment has long been a US policy but changes in where that deployment is made may be subject to lag as new policies are developed, new threats emerge etc and as new bases are built, old ones run down, leases expire and technology changes. I notice you've no argument for the other points.
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Post by voice on Sept 11, 2019 15:32:41 GMT
Though the irony here is after all the GOPs talk of massive electoral fraud in favour of the Dems, the only proven case of massive electoral fraud at the election was the GOP in NC, hence why the election had to be re run in the first place. Something like 9 GOP operatives have been indicted so far.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 16:52:59 GMT
That's just silly. Basing requirements don't change overnight, nor do strategic doctrines or threats. And yet it all seemed to change somewhere early in 2017... I don't need to make any argument. You're the one who claimed routings changed. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what those routings were, let alone how they changed from before. Other than that, my argument is merely that he should have divested to remove the risk of the appearance of impropriety, because that removes trust in the executive. The very fact that there are questions about this is evidence that my position is correct.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 16:55:12 GMT
Though the irony here is after all the GOPs talk of massive electoral fraud in favour of the Dems, the only proven case of massive electoral fraud at the election was the GOP in NC, hence why the election had to be re run in the first place. Something like 9 GOP operatives have been indicted so far. True, but... This actually makes me a little less confident: if the Dems can't win a seat that's got all the evidence of being massively riddled with GOP corruption, they might have a harder time winning elsewhere.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 11, 2019 16:57:33 GMT
That's just silly. Basing requirements don't change overnight, nor do strategic doctrines or threats. And yet it all seemed to change somewhere early in 2017... I don't need to make any argument. You're the one who claimed routings changed. I'm still waiting for you to tell me what those routings were, let alone how they changed from before. Other than that, my argument is merely that he should have divested to remove the risk of the appearance of impropriety, because that removes trust in the executive. The very fact that there are questions about this is evidence that my position is correct. They're not running a scheduled airline. Pick a few countries and draw a line between them and the northern US, using a globe, natch.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 17:01:37 GMT
So, 24 hours later and you still have nothing?
I, at least, know one routing, because it's in the BBC report. You, apparently, are making your claims based on nothing but hot flatulence.
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Post by voice on Sept 11, 2019 17:04:49 GMT
Though the irony here is after all the GOPs talk of massive electoral fraud in favour of the Dems, the only proven case of massive electoral fraud at the election was the GOP in NC, hence why the election had to be re run in the first place. Something like 9 GOP operatives have been indicted so far. True, but... This actually makes me a little less confident: if the Dems can't win a seat that's got all the evidence of being massively riddled with GOP corruption, they might have a harder time winning elsewhere. They have districts drawn to virtually guarantee a GOP win, that, twice in two years, an election is such a heavily gerrymandered district can still be this close is cause for real concern to the GOP, Trump won here with 12% advantage as did Romney, and the GOP barely scraped a win this time. It will take far less than a 12% swing in a lot of vulnerable Senate races to flip the Senate.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 17:11:18 GMT
Oh, yeah. They're f**k*d in 2020 now the NC supreme court has ruled against their comic gerrymander.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 11, 2019 17:21:34 GMT
So, 24 hours later and you still have nothing? I, at least, know one routing, because it's in the BBC report. You, apparently, are making your claims based on nothing but hot flatulence. You think the USAF flies pre-determined, published, routes?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 11, 2019 17:22:29 GMT
Name that route.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 11, 2019 17:28:08 GMT
OK. It just says flying to Kuwait - not exactly where from. On most US routings to Kuwait a great circle takes you just as close to Ramstein as it does Prestwick.
Not that this helps you any. You're the one who claimed that routings have changed so that landing at Prestwick suddenly made sense in 2017. You are making this claim while at the same time claiming that it's impossible to know the routing. It's laughable.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 11, 2019 17:29:04 GMT
Oh, and let's not forget that Donald Trump has no participation in Turnberry. So that's all of your arguments fcuked.
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