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Post by mids on Jul 17, 2018 11:40:20 GMT
I dunno, they can do what they want. I'm not American. I'm just concerned that the entire world isn't in tatters like we were told would definitely be the case by now.
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 17, 2018 12:17:32 GMT
Your sabre-rattling type is fortunately a dying breed. Get used to the idea that John Wayne's long dead. The rest of us have grown up. Who's sabre-rattling? I'm not bothered by Russia. |
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Post by auldhippy on Jul 17, 2018 13:06:53 GMT
Such a brave President to visit the troops in conflict zones so often.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 17, 2018 14:14:52 GMT
You make Mids' point for him. Russia isn't the USSR. They're a tinpot cleptocracy with self-perpetuating security issues. They're no existentialist threat to anyone but themselves. But that is exactly why Russia is trying to sabotage western democracy. They (a) don't have serious military power to impose globally; (b) still have tinpot fantasies that they're big dogs and want to be treated like big dogs. So the way to change this is to try and devalue western democracies who have all the soft power because people see wealth and democracy as a good thing. If democracy is shown to be a crock, the infer, then perhaps the way the global order sees the US and western Europe will become less favourable and will turn towards the Putins (or Erdogans and so on). It's not an existential threat to the US, but that doesn't mean they haven't been trying to f**k over US elections and try and devalue them |
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Post by mids on Jul 17, 2018 14:24:26 GMT
Russia couldn't sabotage a WI meeting. Poison it maybe...
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Post by jimboky on Jul 17, 2018 14:36:58 GMT
Russia has been playing with USA elections probably my lifetime, and before, and USA has likely played in other elections,, not exactly news, I doubt the USA has meddled much in russia's though, it would matter if Putin won by only 90% instead of 95?
Trump should never have however brought it up at the meeting, Putin was very ready for the issue more so then Trump,
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Post by flatandy on Jul 17, 2018 14:45:01 GMT
The weirdest thing, though, is that Trump explicitly says that he trusts Russia more than he trusts his own national security apparatus. If he's correct, he basically shouldn't be making any foreign policy decisions as President; and if he's incorrect he shouldn't be making any decisions. The only thing to do at this point is replace the entirety of the NSA and CIA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 15:16:00 GMT
It's increasingly clear that Trump's highly unstable; his mind flits about like a rabid bat. Strangely, it may just be what the people of the US needs.
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Post by voice on Jul 17, 2018 16:02:23 GMT
Russia has been playing with USA elections probably my lifetime, and before, and USA has likely played in other elections,, not exactly news, I doubt the USA has meddled much in russia's though, it would matter if Putin won by only 90% instead of 95? Trump should never have however brought it up at the meeting, Putin was very ready for the issue more so then Trump, all that is true, the difference being of cause Trump is in denial as to it happening, is disbelieving every branch of US law enforcement and intelligence in fact siding with Russia over his own people, he is so fragile and self centered he thinks if he ever admits to the truth it will de-legitimize his win, while the truth of it being that would only happen if he colluded with Russia for that win. Perhaps he's scared cos his campaign did collude, perhaps not, all of that secondary to him throwing his own people under the bus standing next to the dictator of a foreign power that just attacked his country. I read about a democratic presidential candidate from the 50's who was approached by the KGB with an offer to assist his team with money and information in an effort to get him elected over Ike, you know what he did? He went straight to the FBI. The contrast to Trump could not be greater. |
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Post by moggyonspeed on Jul 17, 2018 16:25:15 GMT
The weirdest thing, though, is that Trump explicitly says that he trusts Russia more than he trusts his own national security apparatus. If he's correct, he basically shouldn't be making any foreign policy decisions as President; and if he's incorrect he shouldn't be making any decisions. The only thing to do at this point is replace the entirety of the NSA and CIA. He even talks about this, he's dead. Simple as. |
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Post by voice on Jul 17, 2018 21:43:33 GMT
anyway true to form he's backpedaling faster than an Italian tank.
He 'misspoke' apparently, yeah right.
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Post by mids on Jul 17, 2018 21:46:25 GMT
I'm now convinced he's just trolling the left.
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Post by voice on Jul 17, 2018 21:57:35 GMT
if it only the left he pissed off I might agree, but he's obviously been given a good slap by his party over his live televised craven capitation to Putin yesterday.
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Post by Marshall on Jul 17, 2018 22:39:05 GMT
If anyone he's trolling his own base, who will believe absolutely anything he says, from we can trust the Russians over our own IC one day, to it was all a misunderstanding, I meant to have used this bestest word instead of that bestest word the next day.
He's been saying from the day he invited Russia on national TV to hack into the DNC that they didn't interfere, only a complete fool would think he changed his mind on the flight back from Helsinki.
The man is a weapons-grade fcukwit.
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Post by voice on Jul 18, 2018 1:11:39 GMT
"I meant wouldn't" is such a lame arsed lie even Jim might struggle to believe it, though I'm sure he like all the Trupisters will try very very hard.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 18, 2018 1:41:37 GMT
It’s hilarious that Pence yesterday said that Trump did a great job, and now today Trump claims to have meant the exact opposite of what he said. Trump’s defenders are going to have a harder time even than trump reversing themselves without looking like monstrous plonkers.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Jul 18, 2018 9:00:28 GMT
I'm now convinced he's just trolling the left. I'm now convinced he's made you look exceptionally foolish. |
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Post by mids on Jul 18, 2018 9:14:28 GMT
I'm offended. I certainly don't need Donald Trump for that!
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2018 12:50:02 GMT
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Post by reverend on Jul 18, 2018 14:11:17 GMT
It just shows how his mouth gets into gear before his brain, the question was deliberately worded to put him on the spot and his first reaction is to deny any possibility his election had outside interference, without realising the implications of that!
If that had been Blair he would have given a 2000 word answer leaving everyone unsure if he had answered or not!
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