More winning, I for one am getting sick of it now

[voice]

oh yeah, that thing where he stuck his ore in Brexit saying Mays deal would mean the US wouldn't be able to do a trade deal with the UK was obvious bollox, just him wanting to get noticed and try to break something, a while ago that might have made a huge splash, now, barely a ripple. (on an interesting side note the ones who were so adamant for Obama not to stick is ore in are now all over Trump's wittering)

[Marshall]

Well, part of his strategy has always been to spew as much sh*t and make as many stupid moves as possible so his critics can't get traction on any one thing.

Don't think that's the same as people becoming bored with him.

[voice]

More lies exposed

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46390368

US President Donald Trump's former lawyer Michael Cohen has pleaded guilty to lying to Congress in relation to the Russia inquiry.

Mr Cohen admitted misleading lawmakers about talks over a Trump property deal in Moscow during the presidential race.


So Cohen lied about Trumps lies and now Trump is calling Cohen a liar. What a tangled web they weave...

[jimboky]

The dems have a suspect,, Trump,, they have a verdict,, guilty,, and they have a punishment all picked out,, impeachment,, the only thing they seem to be lacking is a crime,, maybe in another 4 or 5 years they will find one

[flatandy]

Some certainly do. I've seen lots of wishful thinking from Dems who think that Mueller is going to bring a magic bullet that will suddenly not only remove Trump but somehow removing him will make the Presidency super-liberal.

That said, Trump is certainly guilty of a handful of low level crimes - emoluments clause stuff and so on. But there may never be anything big enough to impeach on.

But a lot of people in Trump's orbit have been guilty of all kinds of things, and increasingly it looks like there were a bunch of connections between the Trump campaign and various parts of the Russian oligarchy. Flynn, (Flynn Jr would have been but has been saved by his dad cooperating), Gates, Cohen, Manafort, and Papadopolous are all getting locked away. Ivanka, Don Jr, Corsi, Stone, and others might be, soon. It suggests that there's some shockingly deep apathy to the rule of law in Trumpworld.

(And that's without mentioning the non-Mueller-related members of the Cabinet who've been in trouble for their corruption)

[jimboky]

What crime is it here, he is accused of being a business man who was maybe scouting a possible future location to build, hardly a crime, maybe he jay-walked to a meeting, now that is worth looking into

[flatandy]

I just said that I don't necessarily think Trump is guilty of any crime in relation to Russia. He may have perjured himself - and lots of his colleagues did perjure themselves; and he almost certainly lied to the public - by claiming that he had no contacts and no connections with Russia, that any work in relation to Trump Tower Moscow was finished long before the campaign when that turns out that that's not true.

By not divesting of his businesses, though, he is clearly guilty on emoluments clause stuff. He is getting cash from foreign governments. Foreign governments are hoping to win favour by using his expensive hotel in DC, for instance.

[jimboky]

at the time he was not, or expected to become president,

I doubt that the dems will allow anything like no crime stop them from impeaching Trump though,

[flatandy]

In May 2016 he was expected to become the Republican nominee for President, and was working on his Russia project.

Even that would be fine, of course. The problem was lying about it.

[voice]

Thing with Trump and the crooks he surrounds himself with isn't that he might have done something wrong, its that he and they have repeatedly lied about it to Congress, the FBI and the Courts, remember Jim they found nothing criminal about Clinton and Whitewater, he was impeached for lying about stuff. There was recently a low level MP in the UK who's just got prosecuted over lying about a speeding ticket, a ticket that would have cost her a couple of hounded quid and quickly forgotten, now she's facing jail time for lying to court about it. And getting back to Trump, his lawyers stopped him testifying to the grand jury cos he's a pathological lair and he'd have perjured himself.

[Marshall]

Sunday (Tariff Man): "China has agreed to tariff cuts, will have 0% tariffs on autos!"
Monday: Stock market rips.
Monday Evening (Tariff Man's Treasurer and Economic Adviser): "We have no idea what the hell he's talking about."
Tuesday: Stock market tanks.

[voice]

mans a bullshitter

[voice]

Looks like Flynn has avoided jail by spilling his guts. Obviously, unlike Manifort, he was not counting on a pardon.

[voice]

Kelly's gone, that revolving door probably needs some new bearings.

And with a faux news host being the new UN ambassador (all the best ect..), and Tillerson confirming what we already knew of Trumps incompetence, another bigly week for the idiot in chief.

[voice]

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46546238

Another Trump goon goes down, this time its Canary Cohen, only for 36 months cos of how fully he spilled his guts, so he'll be out after 12 months or so.

[Marshall]

In two years we've gone from "Mexico is going to pay for our beautiful wall" to "if Congress doesn't fund the wall I'll shut down the government."

There are rumors that Trump will pick Newt Gingrich for his next Chief of Staff, which has left many people laughing in apocalyptic glee.

[voice]

He should pick Rudy.

[voice]

and another guilty plea today, this time from a Russian spy who worked with the NRA to get Trump elected

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-46558392

[Marshall]

Rudy has stupidity and obsequiousness in abundance, therefore a good fit.

[flatandy]

If you thought Rudy! as Chief of Staff was a bad idea, wait 'til you see this...