More winning, I for one am getting sick of it now

[flatandy]

As Mids says... straight from the Mueller report:

“If we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment.”

[mids]

I can find no evidence that Andy isn't a serial killer, therefore...

It's weak, pathetic stuff, isn't it? "When the facts change, my position stays exactly the same". That's the left's new motto.

[Deleted]

That's why left's left and right's right. Time to get over all that shit.

[flatandy]

It appears from the report that, in fact, Trump also repeatedly clearly tried to obstruct and sabotage the investigation but only failed because his underlings basically refused orders.

[perrykneeham]

It's a damp squib though, isn't it? The whole affair just confirms what we already know about Donald Trump: that he's a wretched little turd. But that's it.

Time to move on.

[flatandy]

It confirms what people who dislike Trump have always known. Confirmed by diligent federal investigators not by partisan journalists.

It also says that "Collusion", which Trump claims he's been exonerated for, is not a thing in legal terms so his claim is meaningless. The other things: Coordination, conspiracy and obstruction are things he's not been cleared of.

It's explicit in saying that every time there appeared to be a link between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, then people used fifth amendment privilege, or lied, or deleted communications, or the trail was unable to be followed because it was in Russia.

And it says that Mueller is unable to prosecute for obstruction of justice and says that it's Congress's job. It pretty much says he's guilty. Congress won't prosecute because the requirement is 66% of the Senate for a conviction and there's no way that Republican Senators are going to vote to convict Trump because they already have Stockholm Syndrome to Trump nationalism. But that's just the realpolitik. The reality is that Mueller's given all the evidence needed.

[perrykneeham]

There's just no meat on the story. It's a phantom. You're right that it makes Trump look terrible, but that's because he is such a slimy prick that he couldn't open an Easter Egg Hunt for disabled orphans without seeming wicked.

[flatandy]

Except there is meat on the story. There's a ton of meat. A lot of it's not "new" meat, in that it had previously been reported in the media. But it basically confirms all but the most extreme stories in the media, it confirms almost everything that's come from the "serious" media like the Washington Post and New York Times.

[jimboky]

the report clearly states that there was nothing to charge Trump with, though the dems in the group left some doubt in part B,,, I do hope the dems go ahead and impeaches Trump, all the Reps and the Independents will see it as a hack job and Trump will pickup 3 or 4 states,

I hear Biden is going to join the other 19, wonder if he will be the lone moderate, or will he be just another one of those?

[flatandy]

Apr 19, 2019 15:07:48 GMT jimboky said:

the report clearly states that there was nothing to charge Trump with

Clearly utterly untrue. It says that the OLC guidelines say that a sitting president can't be charged. And because of that, it would have been unfair to make a determination of legal wrongdoing because the President would then be unable to defend himself in a proper setting. In that context is says that it would have cleared Trump if it could have, but was unable to do so. It goes as close to saying criminal obstruction happened as it possibly could. Read pages 213 and 214...

apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5955997-Muellerreport

[mids]

Trump= clean as a whistle.

[perrykneeham]

Sharp as a thistle.

[perrykneeham]

I wonder if the lumpen liberals will take time over the holiday weekend to reflect upon the nature of truth and confession. Perhaps the denial of actual (trivial) wrongdoings by, say, Bill Clinton could be juxtaposed against denials of serious (but fanciful) wrongdoing by Trump.

[flatandy]

While Clinton's wrongdoings on a personal level - a massively uneven power dynamic during a sexual relationship and throwing a 22 year old woman under the bus in order to weasel out of admitting what happened - were vile, they were not like Trump's which appear to subvert the functioning of US democracy: even if there was no Russian interference in the US election (which there was) the fact that he obstructed an investigation into whether there was corruption in a US election itself subverts the proper functioning of democracy.

Both are massively in the wrong, but there's no equivalence.

[perrykneeham]

Quite. Clinton told a stone-cold, bare-faced, forensically-disproved lie, to the American people.

Which do you think was the most damaging to America: Trump or Clinton?

[perrykneeham]

Oh, and he managed to make a natural, these things happen, sexual encounter,.super creepy by sticking a perfectly serviceable cigar up her clacker.

[flatandy]

Trump's crimes are way more damaging to America than Clinton's were.

[perrykneeham]

I doubt it.

“O wad some Power the giftie gie us, to see oursels as ithers see us!"

The lesson certainly wasn't wasted on al-Q or ISIS.

[mids]

Far left terrorist let off with extreme terror campaign.




www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/04/19/probation-instead-prison-for-beverly-man-who-sent-threatening-letters-trump-sons/aAydU86W6PWyxX8MKtXFTN/story.html

[flatandy]

Looking at that picture, there may not be a prison large enough to hold him.