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Post by Repat Van on Jul 16, 2017 22:14:46 GMT
Bit of a red herring this, isn't it? The UK hasn't executed people sice the 1960's. So what if abolition of the death penalty for treason, piracy and whatever was at the insistance of the EU, it wasn't enforced anyway. Well exactly. I don't think anybody sensible genuinely believes the EU is behind us failing to execute people. Much like nobody sensible believes the only reason we have equality laws is down to the EU. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 16, 2017 22:30:47 GMT
What the EU does do is enshrine it solidly, so that no Future-Nutter-Politician can change things. I imagine if Hungary weren't in the EU, Viktor Orban would be pushing for restoration of the death penalty in Hungary.
Equally, if a hypothetical Farage came to power in a Still-in-EU Britain, he would be stopped from his worse authoritarian instincts.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 16, 2017 22:46:42 GMT
But it's still it likely though is it. May as well claim the only reason the U.K. still doesn't ship enslaved Africans to the Caribbean is the EU.
The UK isn't Texas or China just waiting to leave the EU so it can start executing people again / remove maternity leave. It's a fairly civilised country which came to its stance on the DP completely independently of the EU.
Even the Farage example doesn't work. We're not a dictatorship.
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Post by flatandy on Jul 16, 2017 22:55:22 GMT
But it's still it likely though is it. May as well claim the only reason the U.K. still doesn't ship enslaved Africans to the Caribbean is the EU. Not really, no. Because there are no mainstream politicians in Britain arguing for a return to slavery. And a return to slavery doesn't poll above 50%. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 16, 2017 22:56:33 GMT
It's clearly way down the rankings of good reasons to stay in the EU. There are many more compelling ones. But it is still nice to have a failsafe, a backstop, just in case a British version of Orban comes to power.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 17, 2017 2:29:23 GMT
But it's still it likely though is it. May as well claim the only reason the U.K. still doesn't ship enslaved Africans to the Caribbean is the EU. Not really, no. Because there are no mainstream politicians in Britain arguing for a return to slavery. And a return to slavery doesn't poll above 50%. But the UK had already made inroads in these things. So insisting the only thing protecting our equality laws / preventing us having the DP is the EU makes no sense. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 17, 2017 2:30:21 GMT
It's clearly way down the rankings of good reasons to stay in the EU. There are many more compelling ones. But it is still nice to have a failsafe, a backstop, just in case a British version of Orban comes to power. I just don't think a 'British version of Orban' is likely. At all. In the slightest. The crazy right just isn't as popular here as it is among our European brethren. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 17, 2017 2:39:13 GMT
Not really, no. Because there are no mainstream politicians in Britain arguing for a return to slavery. And a return to slavery doesn't poll above 50%. But the UK had already made inroads in these things. So insisting the only thing protecting our equality laws / preventing us having the DP is the EU makes no sense. Who said "only thing preventing"? It's a useful last defence that we're getting rid of, for (as always) no good reason. |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 17, 2017 3:37:40 GMT
But the UK had already made inroads in these things. So insisting the only thing protecting our equality laws / preventing us having the DP is the EU makes no sense. Who said "only thing preventing"? It's a useful last defence that we're getting rid of, for (as always) no good reason. Well it's useful in a similar manner to "polar bear proof fencing" would be useful in London. |
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Post by flatandy on Jul 17, 2017 4:29:15 GMT
Except that a majority of the UK public aren't nominally in favour of the introduction of polar bears to Dulwich.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 17, 2017 4:56:22 GMT
Except that a majority of the UK public aren't nominally in favour of the introduction of polar bears to Dulwich. A majority of the UK public were in favour of the death penalty when it was done away with. And a majority are in favour of employment protections. As I said. The EU as a bulwark in that respect is as useful as Polar Bear Proof Fencing in London. Or Hurricane insurance. |
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Post by nobody on Jul 18, 2017 20:56:30 GMT
What was the "Studant" studying, the Koran?
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 18, 2017 21:49:08 GMT
What was the "Studant" studying, the Koran? Was the white guy who sprayed the two Muslims with acid studying the Bible? |
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Post by nobody on Jul 18, 2017 22:04:23 GMT
What was the "Studant" studying, the Koran? Was the white guy who sprayed the two Muslims with acid studying the Bible? Was he a student? |
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2017 1:06:26 GMT
Was the white guy who sprayed the two Muslims with acid studying the Bible? Was he a student? You don't need to be a student to study the Bible. Why is "student" in quotation marks. Do you have alternative information that he wasn't in fact enrolled in education? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2017 4:45:48 GMT
What was the "Studant" studying, the Koran? Architecture, I expect. |
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Post by nobody on Jul 19, 2017 6:31:39 GMT
You don't need to be a student to study the Bible. Why is "student" in quotation marks. Do you have alternative information that he wasn't in fact enrolled in education? Student is such a misnomer these days |
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Post by perrykneeham on Jul 19, 2017 6:42:51 GMT
You can bet that these two jokers will have studied their rights and have and have an encyclopedic knowledge of Crimanal Justice proceedures in reapect of minors and trainee construction professionals.
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Post by Repat Van on Jul 19, 2017 11:34:57 GMT
You don't need to be a student to study the Bible. Why is "student" in quotation marks. Do you have alternative information that he wasn't in fact enrolled in education? Student is such a misnomer these days But what information do you have that he wasn't a student? |
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