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Post by bertruss2 on Mar 15, 2018 9:05:56 GMT
The Asian grooming gangs are part of the sex industry and money is the motive, claims Ansar Ali
Mr Afzal led several prosecutions concerning offences in Telford, including one against two brothers convicted of trafficking girls for sex.
Speaking on the Victoria Derbyshire programme, he said: "I prosecuted, when I led nationally, the Telford original issue, I knew then that this was a bigger issue not just in Telford but everywhere."
Ansar Ali, a spokesman for Together Against Grooming, also appeared on the programme and was asked why Asian gangs are often blamed for child sexual exploitation."These gangs that operate are not what you call your classic, typical paedophile, that's not their motivation," he said."Yes they are sexual predators but it is more that they use these girls as a sexual commodity and it is about making money off them. "That is their main driver (BBC, 13 March 2018)
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:39:50 GMT
probably all of the above Id also add poor parenting not looking out for the welfare of their kids and poor social services for those in care not looking out for these vulnerable kids, and social services ignoring what was going on. Though given how much child abuse there is generally in our society and how poorly funded social services are, there is a bigger picture non of the - its all about brown people obsessives - will want to bring into the debate I don’t think social services are in any way shape or fit to do the job we expect of them. Horrendously understaffed and a widely degraded and ridiculed role. I think people who put their hand up to do it are mad. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:41:39 GMT
You know, for all that you ignorantly bandy about the phrase "rape culture", what goes on in all these towns is one of the few examples of its actual existence. Oh it exists widely. This is an example but idiots (I.e you) think it exclusively relates to actual rape instead of a whole host of actions and behaviours which support and build on the problem of male sexual entitlement. It’s good it’s slowly being taken seriously but at present it appears only when the men in question are tan. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:46:16 GMT
As an aside - for those who do want to discuss - what do you think the drivers are for the constant reports of stories like this? Impact of sexual conservatism side by side with a laissez fire society? Racism Modesty culture Entitlement Misogyny All of the above or none of the above? Drivers of the reports, or drivers of the phenomenon itself? If, as I suspect, it's the last bit, I'd say it was inbred suppressed lust caused by an inability to control oneself. Sheer lust. Then we need to discuss what causes this lust. I'd guess cultural suppression, internet porn, lack of community adhesion, drugs, poor living conditions, and lack of adequate policing due to fear of accusations of racism. Both I.e the actual phenomenon. I am very curious because the reality is it’s not just about sex. Sex is fairy easy to get (even if you have to pay for it and especially if you’re not fussy about who you sleep with) but this is something else. Which is why I’m not sure it’s simple lust. I don’t really get the comments about police feats of being deemed racist so staying away. They don’t have that fear when it comes to general arrest and stop and search rates so why would they suddenly be fearful when it comes to widespread sexual abuse. Is it also a change in how we view sexual abuse? For all the stories around at the moment, about brown and non brown men, poor and rich, the constant theme is it continues for years before anybody does anything. Are we just taking more of a zero tolerance approach? |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:49:45 GMT
When I was doing my travel the planet bit, it was frequently acknowledged by all the females I met that muzzie countries were the worse for sexual assault and rape. Really? I never had that when working in Qatar. Massively conservative. And rather deferential to any woman approaching. The ex-pats were far creepier than the locals. Far creepier. Uncomfortably so. Although I have heard awful things about places like Egypt, Morocco and (although not mainly Muzzie) India. Maybe it’s the sex segregation. I remember travelling for work to project sites in Nigeria and Algeria. Mainly Male with very few females. All expats and so many of them would act like animals in the bar of an evening. It was rather interesting to experience. |
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Post by mids on Mar 15, 2018 9:50:46 GMT
You know, for all that you ignorantly bandy about the phrase "rape culture", what goes on in all these towns is one of the few examples of its actual existence. Oh it exists widely. This is an example but idiots (I.e you) think it exclusively relates to actual rape instead of a whole host of actions and behaviours which support and build on the problem of male sexual entitlement. It’s good it’s slowly being taken seriously but at present it appears only when the men in question are tan. It exists extremely narrowly. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:51:29 GMT
There's a deliberate choice of victims, so it's not sheer animal impulse. For example, this Telford man. Jason McKernan (a 21-year-old Telford man) was said by a judge at Shrewsbury Crown Court to have "preyed on very young girls"....
Mr Delroy Henry, for McKernan, said his client had a disturbed upbringing and had been diagnosed with a personality disorder. (Shropshire Star Feb 20, 2017) Well yes of course they chose girls they thought less people would care about (given the English class system.) They weren’t trying to prey on wealthy white girls coming from exclusive public schools. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:52:04 GMT
Oh it exists widely. This is an example but idiots (I.e you) think it exclusively relates to actual rape instead of a whole host of actions and behaviours which support and build on the problem of male sexual entitlement. It’s good it’s slowly being taken seriously but at present it appears only when the men in question are tan. It exists extremely narrowly. Well yes, you would say that. It benefits you to insist that’s the case. |
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Post by mids on Mar 15, 2018 9:53:12 GMT
Extremely narrowly.
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:53:36 GMT
The Asian grooming gangs are part of the sex industry and money is the motive, claims Ansar Ali
Mr Afzal led several prosecutions concerning offences in Telford, including one against two brothers convicted of trafficking girls for sex.
Speaking on the Victoria Derbyshire programme, he said: "I prosecuted, when I led nationally, the Telford original issue, I knew then that this was a bigger issue not just in Telford but everywhere."
Ansar Ali, a spokesman for Together Against Grooming, also appeared on the programme and was asked why Asian gangs are often blamed for child sexual exploitation."These gangs that operate are not what you call your classic, typical paedophile, that's not their motivation," he said."Yes they are sexual predators but it is more that they use these girls as a sexual commodity and it is about making money off them. "That is their main driver (BBC, 13 March 2018)Well this just adds to why increasingly I view people who visit sex workers with contempt. |
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Post by Repat Van on Mar 15, 2018 9:53:50 GMT
Benefits you. Whoops I forgot. Mids never believes women. Probably thinks #metoo is about a bunch of hysterical attention seekers who would be happier if they learned to stop “rationing”... |
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 15, 2018 9:54:16 GMT
No, they were preying on young women who the state was supposed to be looking after in loco parentis.
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Post by mids on Mar 15, 2018 10:05:42 GMT
So, rape culture. Is rape the only crime that gets its own culture? Is there a murder culture? A robbery culture? A fraud culture?
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Post by bertruss2 on Mar 15, 2018 10:25:28 GMT
It's a business. The pimps don't pay but the customers do. The 'grooming gangs' are running prostitutes. Grooming is the method of recruitment. Racists, of course, want to make it all about the evil and weird nature of Islam, although Islam is puritanical and sex outside marriage is strictly a no-go area for the observant Muslim.
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Post by nobody on Mar 15, 2018 10:46:19 GMT
Cockrot Bert, cockrot
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Post by unclejunior on Mar 16, 2018 7:20:35 GMT
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Post by mids on Mar 16, 2018 7:45:34 GMT
At least they've finally got around to writing something that's not tucked away carefully in bbc/uk/england/shropshire/other news/cat-up-a-tree-news. Still a poor article.
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Post by mids on Mar 16, 2018 8:31:06 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Mar 16, 2018 9:16:31 GMT
"Hitching these incidents to the child sex abuse inquiry does nothing to understand the specifics that lead to exploitation on this scale. Time was that the government funded 15 areas in the UK to set up support services for sexual exploitation. It was linked to the gang violence agenda that sprang from the riots of 2011. That’s gone now, and even so, linking those three things was always naive. Yes sexual exploitation happens in gangs, yes sexual exploitation is most commonly committed by peers. But generalising about the problem is a political shrug and it changes nothing. We need to understand. We need to create a vehicle to tackle the specific nature of grooming gangs."
Just say it.
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Post by nobody on Mar 16, 2018 9:17:30 GMT
Known as CSE in social worker circles.
Makes it sound like a school qualification.
That the Beeb And Guardian are running stories should be no surprise, the story has been brought into the open, now they are “jumping on the bandwagon” just to pay lip service to the problem.
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