It's Come To This

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Farmers for example are going bust having to pay a minimum wage because the main buyers, notably supermarkets, won't pay them the price for the produce to cover their overheads.

Retailers of other goods buy Chinese rather than pay the right price for home-produced goods, the manufacturers of which are forced to pay a minimum wage. They too go out of business.

You see the way this is going? We destroy home production (except in the luxury market only the rich can afford) increase the state benefit burden; and as a by-product increase carbon emissions and pollution. The whole thing is interlinked.

[jimboky]

so place tariffs on China's stuff, free markets only work if all parties have same rules, can't allow your producers to be forced to compete with slave labor unless you allow them to have slaves

[perrykneeham]

Oct 3, 2019 16:32:57 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Farmers for example are going bust having to pay a minimum wage because the main buyers, notably supermarkets, won't pay them the price for the produce to cover their overheads.

Retailers of other goods buy Chinese rather than pay the right price for home-produced goods, the manufacturers of which are forced to pay a minimum wage. They too go out of business.

You see the way this is going? We destroy home production (except in the luxury market only the rich can afford) increase the state benefit burden; and as a by-product increase carbon emissions and pollution. The whole thing is interlinked.

Wow. What a load of outdated crap. That argument's as old as the hills and yet, here we are: four or five TVs, laptops,.smartphones in every house. Acquisitive crime has fallen through the floor because consumer goods are so cheap.

[rick49]

Oct 3, 2019 13:52:24 GMT flatandy said:

Minimum wage doesn't damage small businesses any more than big businesses. It does, though, force them to pay a fair wage. And also makes sure they charge a fair amount for their products and services. People are too accustomed to paying dirt cheap prices for stuff that only exist through the exploitation of underpaid staff.

Really? A tiny Mom & Pop restaurant on a neighborhood street corner has the same resources as a large fancy French restaurant in the chic part of town?

[flatandy]

They're not pitching to the same market.

Also, the fancy restaurant is almost certainly about to go bust if I've learned anything about restaurant economics over the years.

[Deleted]

Oct 3, 2019 21:06:41 GMT perrykneeham said:

Oct 3, 2019 16:32:57 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Farmers for example are going bust having to pay a minimum wage because the main buyers, notably supermarkets, won't pay them the price for the produce to cover their overheads.

Retailers of other goods buy Chinese rather than pay the right price for home-produced goods, the manufacturers of which are forced to pay a minimum wage. They too go out of business.

You see the way this is going? We destroy home production (except in the luxury market only the rich can afford) increase the state benefit burden; and as a by-product increase carbon emissions and pollution. The whole thing is interlinked.

Wow. What a load of outdated crap. That argument's as old as the hills and yet, here we are: four or five TVs, laptops,.smartphones in every house. Acquisitive crime has fallen through the floor because consumer goods are so cheap.

Wow, what a bollocks response from someone who clearly has no idea what's happening in the real world. This argument's as valid as it ever was - ever heard of unfair trading? Even the examples you've offered illustrate your ignorance and limitations: four or five TVs, laptops, smartphones in every house? Even if this were true, which it isn't except maybe in BalooLand, what does this say about the society you appear to be endorsing?

And as for acquisitive crime falling - this shows just how out of touch you are: "We have seen an 8% increase in overall theft offences estimated by the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW), which is mainly driven by a 20% increase in “other household theft”.

link

The constant drive you have to sound as if you know it all is just making you look a bigger fool than ever. Try engaging with the real world; get out of that orangerie of yours, give your two Labrador dogs to someone who really needs working gundogs, drop the teaching course and go get a proper job. Working in MacDos could do you a lot of good.

[voice]

The central question in the minimum-wage debate has shifted. Where economists once asked, “Will raising the wage floor kill jobs?” they now ask, “Just how transformative could a higher minimum wage be?”

This week, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that raising the minimum wage to the $15 level proposed by many Democratic candidates would lift the earnings of 27.3 million workers but lead to 1.3 million lost jobs.

The estimates were released into a research climate which has changed considerably since the CBO last considered the issue in 2014. Notably, a top journal published what many economists regard as the most rigorous analysis yet. It confirms that in recent decades, the minimum wage hasn’t destroyed jobs by making workers too expensive.

While the CBO report’s headline result still links the minimum wage to job loss, its estimates of those losses range from no significant job loss to 3.7 million job losses. Economic Policy Institute economist Ben Zipperer says the low-job-loss scenario is an acknowledgment that raising the minimum wage hasn’t proven to be as dangerous as researchers once feared. But he still found the CBO’s median estimate overly pessimistic.

The CBO derived many of its estimates of the labor market response to a higher minimum wage from data in 11 academic studies. Michael Reich, a University of California Berkeley economist who was cited elsewhere in the report, said he was skeptical of this approach, noting the CBO included at least two analyses whose results had been questioned. Their inclusion, he argued, “reveals an unwillingness to recognize the major differences in scientific quality among studies."

Michael Strain of the American Enterprise Institute, also cited elsewhere in the report, defended the nonpartisan research agency. “CBO did a good job of weighing the evidence and coming to perfectly sensible and reasonable conclusions that reflect the state of knowledge on this issue,” Strain said.

The CBO’s publication schedule ruled out the inclusion of a new working paper from Reich and his colleague Anna Godoey measuring the local effect of 51 changes in the minimum wage since 2007. Their work was some of the first to look at hikes as large, in magnitude, as those that we’d see if the U.S. adopted a $15 minimum wage.

“We don’t find job losses in places where the local impact of existing minimum wage is similar to what we estimate the impact of a $15 federal minimum wage would be, even in low-wage states,” Godoey said.

The Berkeley team builds on a tradition of headline-making, mind-changing research dating to the work of David Card, now of Berkeley, and the late Alan Krueger, in the 1990s. Minimum-wage effects are so fiendish to disentangle given available data, prominent MIT economist David Autor said, that they have pushed scholars to pioneer multiple innovative statistical methods now widely used in economics and related social sciences.

www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/07/08/its-not-just-paychecks-surprising-society-wide-benefits-raising-minimum-wage/

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Paywall. The section above appears to endorse the general findings that minimum wages do lead to lost jobs.

[mids]

Gaywall.

[Marshall]

I don't see anything wrong with a minimum wage per se, the question is what amount makes sense?

Saying $15 should be the min. across the board makes no sense to me. There's a big difference between $15 in Mississippi and $15 in NYC.

[perrykneeham]

Oct 4, 2019 7:03:41 GMT @oneofthelessergods said:

Oct 3, 2019 21:06:41 GMT perrykneeham said:

Wow. What a load of outdated crap. That argument's as old as the hills and yet, here we are: four or five TVs, laptops,.smartphones in every house. Acquisitive crime has fallen through the floor because consumer goods are so cheap.

Wow, what a bollocks response from someone who clearly has no idea what's happening in the real world. This argument's as valid as it ever was - ever heard of unfair trading? Even the examples you've offered illustrate your ignorance and limitations: four or five TVs, laptops, smartphones in every house? Even if this were true, which it isn't except maybe in BalooLand, what does this say about the society you appear to be endorsing?

And as for acquisitive crime falling - this shows just how out of touch you are: "We have seen an 8% increase in overall theft offences estimated by the Crime Survey for England and Wales (CSEW), which is mainly driven by a 20% increase in “other household theft”.

link

The constant drive you have to sound as if you know it all is just making you look a bigger fool than ever. Try engaging with the real world; get out of that orangerie of yours, give your two Labrador dogs to someone who really needs working gundogs, drop the teaching course and go get a proper job. Working in MacDos could do you a lot of good.

So, let's have a look at this (I don't have much time as I'm on a residential field course and the bar has just opened.)

You think that most houses in UK don't have multiple items of consumer electronics? Then you are a complete fool. We could do a quick poll here if you like.

You think that one year's crime stats compared to the previous year is a trend do you? No, it is not. Do you know the trend over the previous ten years?

You seem to think that there's something called unfair trade. That is not how market works. You are an idiot.

I don't have gun dogs, but it is instructive that you think teaching is a non-job. Presumably because you failed to take advantage of what they had to offer and have been left slack-jawed and ignorant. Not that that ever stopped you or your fellow alumni of the University of Life airing your fatuous opinions.

[rick49]

Good grief. Nothing is beyond being targeted by the woke anymore. They are a disease.

Students required to play intersectional monopoly as part of diversity training

"Each of the characters had a certain intersectional identity. Each person at the table was thus the character that was put at the seat that they sat in. I was assigned the Asian-American man, Brian. My friend, who is the Vice Chairwoman of our chapter, was a “transgender female and LATINX.” I learned that the ‘X’ in LATINX makes the term more “gender inclusive.”

"So if you’re a minority you’re supposed to lose the game and if you win you get a rebuke about being selfish. Sounds like fun!"
hotair.com/archives/john-s-2/2019/10/02/students-required-play-social-justice-monopoly-part-diversity-training/

Training "students" to be brain dead zombies.

[rick49]

now we’re talking about decriminalizing intentional HIV transmission

"Should the intentional withholding of a persons HIV positive status from a prospective sexual partner be decriminalized? Shockingly, several of the candidates agreed with that idea."

"a widely panned Vox article published this week said that state laws making it a crime to not disclose your HIV status “have only increased stigma and abuse.” And apparently, many 2020 Democrats agree with this ludicrous, insane point of view."

"Sadly, the Democrats are in the midst of a rush to decriminalize nearly anything and everything. And if it’s an issue that can be tied to the LGBTQ community and their powerful political lobby, you can bet that the 2020 hopefuls will be jumping through hoops to prove how woke they are."

hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/10/12/wait-now-talking-decriminalizing-intentional-hiv-transmission/

Get HIV from a partner? Hey, tough luck. At least the partner who deliberately gave it to you wasn't stigmatized. Thats what counts.

[jimboky]

I didn't know Labs were gun-dogs, though it is hard to keep them out of water, and they are great overall dogs, fun to be around,

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That's what they were bred for. It's why they're called Labrador Retrievers. In the UK they're made pets of by the striving middle-class, wannabe landowners who like parading about on Sundays in their Hunter wellies. They usually call their dog William.

[jimboky]

poodles were also bred for hunting,,, what's your point?

[Deleted]

You said "I didn't know Labs were gun-dogs" and I answered.

[jimboky]

ok, and poodles are gun dogs, that would include many dogs,

[Deleted]

And standard poodles are still used as gun dogs. Not the toy and miniature kind. They're for women and male pervs.

[Deleted]

Baloo..

"Most houses in UK have four or five TVs, laptops,.smartphones. Link please.

"You think that one year's crime stats compared to the previous year is a trend do you?" No, not necessarily. I gave you a link to the current state of affairs which shows clearly that you are wrong.

"Do you know the trend over the previous ten years?" No, do you?

"You seem to think that there's something called unfair trade. That is not how market works." Yes, I do. link But tell me how the market works anyway.