Three Darwin Awards in one day?

[perrykneeham]

"Sheesh, if that innkeeper 2,000+ years ago had been as equally welcoming as you, then your oh-so-apparent Christian virtue wouldn't even f*ck*ng exist."

All Jews, I think you'll find. Now, if your grandparents had had their way .....

[moggyonspeed]

Pray continue ...

Go on, be brave. No seriously - be brave.

[perrykneeham]

Gotcha.

[perrykneeham]

They don't like it up 'em.

[ootlg]

Dec 14, 2022 12:40:26 GMT mids said:

I see some idiots have died after setting out to sea in what was almost certainly an unsafe boat in the Winter. Morons.

"Four people died after a migrant boat ran into difficulties crossing the English Channel in the early hours, the government has said.

The BBC's Nick Eardley said a person close to the situation said 43 people had been saved, with more than 30 rescued from the water.

A major search and rescue operation was launched in waters between Kent and France in freezing conditions."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63968941

Cheap and nasty, mids. You're better than that.

[mids]

No I'm not. Anyway, what's nasty about it? They're prime Darwin award candidates. What sort of idiot thinks sailing across the world's busiest shipping lane at night in Winter is a good idea? And apparently paying £5k for it. They could have got the train for a fraction of that. Apart from that, the Darwin awards are all about poking fun at people who die in stupid, self inflicted ways.

[moggyonspeed]

Dec 15, 2022 10:28:00 GMT perrykneeham said:

Gotcha.

Meaning?

Not even you and your intellect bravery prejudices can explain that one away.

[flatandy]

Dec 15, 2022 10:03:12 GMT perrykneeham said:

Now that we've got your sickeningly self righteous posturing done, can you tell me why we need these people and why you think they are wanted by the public of UK?

Need? Want?

I see you don't understand what refugees are and what asylum is.

[wetkingcanute]

"Sheesh, if that innkeeper 2,000+ years ago had been as equally welcoming as you, then your oh-so-apparent Christian virtue wouldn't even f*ck*ng exist."


If I remember my Bible classes correctly - the innkeeping said "there is no room at my Inn." and Mary & Joseph had to sleep in a manger with baby Jesus.

[moggyonspeed]

"Cheap and nasty, mids. You're better than that."

Bullshit is he.

mids and his ilk, regardless of the crocodile tears and the platitudes, are more than likely satisfied if not out-and-out happy with these deaths. You know, the sort of people who watch the news at night, kecks around their ankles, pounding the pud whilst screaming "Result!" at awful stories such as this.

Here's some "whataboutery" for ya, mids: those four boys who died in that Solihull pond this week - prime Darwin Award candidates on the basis of "what sort of idiot thinks going across or into a frozen pond in Winter is a good idea?", thereby "poking fun at people who die in stupid, self inflicted ways". Would you have the bravery or honesty to say that to their parents' faces? <rhetorical>

"THE DESPERATE AND THE YOUNG CAN DO STUPID THINGS" shockah. Only the bigoted, cruel, heartless or equally stupid will see it any other way.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 15, 2022 11:57:51 GMT flatandy said:

Dec 15, 2022 10:03:12 GMT perrykneeham said:

Now that we've got your sickeningly self righteous posturing done, can you tell me why we need these people and why you think they are wanted by the public of UK?

Need? Want?

I see you don't understand what refugees are and what asylum is.

I know what both are. I also know that these are unlikely to be regarded as either, especially as they have passed through at least one safe country before putting themselves and others in danger to get to another.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 15, 2022 12:02:53 GMT wetkingcanute said:

"Sheesh, if that innkeeper 2,000+ years ago had been as equally welcoming as you, then your oh-so-apparent Christian virtue wouldn't even f*ck*ng exist."


If I remember my Bible classes correctly - the innkeeping said "there is no room at my Inn." and Mary & Joseph had to sleep in a manger with baby Jesus.

Quite. They weren't prepared to miss a booking. Oy! They had to eat.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 15, 2022 11:47:54 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Dec 15, 2022 10:28:00 GMT perrykneeham said:

Gotcha.

Meaning?

Not even you and your intellect bravery prejudices can explain that one away.

What do I need to explain exactly?

[moggyonspeed]

Clarification of your "Now, if your grandparents had had their way ..." comment. Clearly that request went over your head.

Then, expecting your response of "Gotcha" to somehow appease my questioning (which it didn't), I asked you what THAT meant. Ditto as a response.

So, the answer to "What do I need to explain exactly?" iiiiiiiiiis ...?

Take yer time.

[flatandy]

Dec 15, 2022 12:09:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

Dec 15, 2022 11:57:51 GMT flatandy said:

Need? Want?

I see you don't understand what refugees are and what asylum is.

I know what both are. I also know that these are unlikely to be regarded as either, especially as they have passed through at least one safe country before putting themselves and others in danger to get to another.

If you think there's an "either" between refugee and asylum, you don't know.

And, even beyond that, let's assume that you're right that they are unlikely to be regarded as refugees. The correct thing to do is to provide safe passage to the country, and then provide safe, decent accommodation and process any claims to asylum and refugee status quickly and effectively. If it's trivial to deduce they aren't refugees, this can be done in a matter of days or weeks with proper due process. Why, instead, have them drown in freezing water rather than process them quickly and determine their status correctly and deal with them at that point?

[moggyonspeed]

Dec 15, 2022 12:09:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

Dec 15, 2022 11:57:51 GMT flatandy said:

Need? Want?

I see you don't understand what refugees are and what asylum is.

I know what both are. I also know that these are unlikely to be regarded as either, especially as they have passed through at least one safe country before putting themselves and others in danger to get to another.

... and this is the Big Lie that you, people similar to you, and the usual suspects in the press continue to peddle. Bottom line here is that there is no such requirement to not pass through a safe country or to seek refuge in the first safe country encountered.

For the facts of the matter, you may want to read this: Amnesty International - Truth About Refugees

Apologies for the lack of pictures for you to colour in, but do your best ...

[moggyonspeed]

Dec 15, 2022 12:02:53 GMT wetkingcanute said:

"Sheesh, if that innkeeper 2,000+ years ago had been as equally welcoming as you, then your oh-so-apparent Christian virtue wouldn't even f*ck*ng exist."

If I remember my Bible classes correctly - the innkeeping said "there is no room at my Inn." and Mary & Joseph had to sleep in a manger with baby Jesus.

The innkeeper does not, in fact, feature in any of the four gospels in the King James version of The Bible; it is rather implied that Joseph spoke to someone in the inn to ascertain that it was full, and the moniker "innkeeper" has stuck in popular myth ever since, even though the word isn't used anywhere. Similarly, the word "stable" does not feature either.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 15, 2022 12:24:36 GMT flatandy said:

Dec 15, 2022 12:09:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

I know what both are. I also know that these are unlikely to be regarded as either, especially as they have passed through at least one safe country before putting themselves and others in danger to get to another.

If you think there's an "either" between refugee and asylum, you don't know.

And, even beyond that, let's assume that you're right that they are unlikely to be regarded as refugees. The correct thing to do is to provide safe passage to the country, and then provide safe, decent accommodation and process any claims to asylum and refugee status quickly and effectively. If it's trivial to deduce they aren't refugees, this can be done in a matter of days or weeks with proper due process. Why, instead, have them drown in freezing water rather than process them quickly and determine their status correctly and deal with them at that point?

They've already been through at least on safe country and, if they're Albanian, the came from one.

[flatandy]

I should have added , because we’re hard of thinking: only once you actually have legally determined their refugee status does the question of need or want even get to be asked.

[perrykneeham]

Dec 15, 2022 12:29:53 GMT moggyonspeed said:

Dec 15, 2022 12:09:11 GMT perrykneeham said:

I know what both are. I also know that these are unlikely to be regarded as either, especially as they have passed through at least one safe country before putting themselves and others in danger to get to another.

... and this is the Big Lie that you, people similar to you, and the usual suspects in the press continue to peddle. Bottom line here is that there is no such requirement to not pass through a safe country or to seek refuge in the first safe country encountered.

For the facts of the matter, you may want to read this: Amnesty International - Truth About Refugees

Apologies for the lack of pictures for you to colour in, but do your best ...

It doesn't matter if they are required to or not. Do try and get your box-shaped head around that.