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Post by avieder on Apr 1, 2019 19:30:41 GMT
Can you please relate to the contents of my posts rather than to the person? (If you understand the difference that is) I assumed you were referring to the pro-Israel hard-line anti-Islamist warmonger, Kemp, and not the others accusing Israel of murder. (It's called bias - but I don't know if you understand the word) I was referring to the contents while you insist about discussing the person. Yes. I am biased. Very biased. I never claimed objectivity only the TRUTH. |
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Post by avieder on Apr 1, 2019 19:37:17 GMT
Just as I was told, here you are trying to bring me down to your level ... Sure the Egyptians built pyramids. There are Greek and Roman phylosophies. In Stonehenge and Easter Island they errected fantastic structure. But no other culture created values that are encapsuled in The Ten commandments. That is said only to denounce atheists. You seem to have a high opinion of yourself, a bit like those Natsiz had of their self always thought they were above every one else. Well I got news for you Afukingmigo, no one who believes in fuking faries is above me. And (Just as you were told) so you were even advised,, and that advice did'nt happen to come from high above did it. Lol. I have a high opinion of my beliefs. Just as I lay them here, to be discussed and even challenged. As some of you do. That is what discussion is all about, and not the personality of the opinion bearer. |
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Post by avieder on Apr 1, 2019 19:45:13 GMT
You are in the animal kingdom as a matter of scientific classification, not personal choice. Avraham, if he ever existed, was as much a member of the great ape family as you. Adam and Eve and G-d are fictional characters, created by the human imagination. BTW, as to "scientific classification" Can you please describe the evolution of the human eye? What were the stages, in the same way that you may show how fish fines became a hand.? |
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Post by bertruss2 on Apr 1, 2019 22:41:50 GMT
Do you think you are not animal? That would be a very eccentric opinion. As to being classified as a Great Ape, you might argue that homo sapiens deserves a special place as a species all of our own. However, we would still be very obviously relatives of apes and monkeys.
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Post by takemebacktolondon on Apr 1, 2019 23:32:17 GMT
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Post by takemebacktolondon on Apr 1, 2019 23:39:35 GMT
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Post by takemebacktolondon on Apr 1, 2019 23:44:20 GMT
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Post by avieder on Apr 1, 2019 23:57:05 GMT
Do you think you are not animal? That would be a very eccentric opinion. As to being classified as a Great Ape, you might argue that homo sapiens deserves a special place as a species all of our own. However, we would still be very obviously relatives of apes and monkeys. If you try and follow the six days of creation you will see much parallel to your scientific sequence of events. Thus it can be accepted religiously that G-d conducted the creation so that plants preceded living beings, then creatures topping it by men who speak. But you must note that there are "steps" that defy natural evolution, like the eye that "call for" devine intervention. Even today most of the medical science is still a mistery, yet healings are achieved. |
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Post by avieder on Apr 2, 2019 0:05:58 GMT
"March of return" - of whom, to where? |
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Post by bertruss2 on Apr 2, 2019 0:27:59 GMT
All you're saying is that you are uneducated. If you want to know about the universe and evolution you should read some books. It has taken centuries to acquire the knowledge that gives us an understanding of the universe that enables us to travel around the globe and into space. The flat Earth with a dome on top of it of Biblical times is a fantasy.  |
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Post by avieder on Apr 2, 2019 8:08:20 GMT
All you're saying is that you are uneducated. If you want to know about the universe and evolution you should read some books. It has taken centuries to acquire the knowledge that gives us an understanding of the universe that enables us to travel around the globe and into space. The flat Earth with a dome on top of it of Biblical times is a fantasy. Well, you are not THAT stupid. I know about the process of evolution as much if not more than you. So, show us what was the evolutionary stage before the humam eye developed into lense, retina, eye lid, lashes..... Just one small step back... Take your time. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2019 8:13:03 GMT
It'll be interesting to see what comes of that latest fossil find in China. The fossils are said to be "exquisitely preserved" which includes soft tissues. That might just screw the pooch of the Evolution-deniers (well, that particular bit of dishonesty, anyway.)
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Post by wetkingcanute on Apr 2, 2019 8:56:15 GMT
People may not like Dawkin but if you've got 14 mins watch this.
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Post by bertruss2 on Apr 2, 2019 9:35:07 GMT
The people of Biblical times were not stupid. They simply had not acquired the knowledge that has been accumulated over the centuries since then. They used their imaginations to try to explain the world and the universe and living things.So, they invented gods and told stories of how gods made the world and ruled the universe. The flat earth with a dome of sky over it is what the universe in the Hebrew creation myth looks like.
Throughout the world, our ancestors produced creation myths.
I'm not sure if you think the Hebrew myth gives an accurate picture of reality or not. If you understand that it's a mythical account of the origin of the universe, you will understand that the character at the centre of this story is a fictional character. The Hebrew god and all the millions of other gods, created by tribes in ancient times, are the heroes of stories of interest to anthropologists and are entertaining as literature.
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Post by avieder on Apr 2, 2019 10:06:46 GMT
People may not like Dawkin but if you've got 14 mins watch this. Very interesting indeed. Rather like fish fins that develpped into a hand with fingers, mussels, nurves etc. As I said above, like all creation G-d chose to do gradually. Somehow I missed the REASON in that video. Somewhere there should be the drive to improve. A process to cancel paths that are not contributing to improve. Theyte os mo answer to the WHY question. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 10:43:44 GMT
Why would God need to choose?
And improvement's subjective isn't it?
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Post by avieder on Apr 2, 2019 11:09:02 GMT
Why would God need to choose? And improvement's subjective isn't it? Indeed that is one of the greatest dilemmas. Why was there a wish in heaven to create the universe. There is a beautiful dissection in the Talmud but it is irrelevant to the current thread. Another question could be why did creation stop. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2019 11:12:24 GMT
Why would God need to choose? And improvement's subjective isn't it? True, any mutation is only an adaptation or improvement if it better suits the current ecological condition and therefore improves the odds of that individual's gene's surviving into the coming generations. |
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Post by avieder on Apr 2, 2019 11:38:19 GMT
Why would God need to choose? And improvement's subjective isn't it? True, any mutation is only an adaptation or improvement if it better suits the current ecological condition and therefore improves the odds of that individual's gene's surviving into the coming generations. So, you raise the question of why is it important to the current generation to survive to the comming generations. If "survival of the fittest" is the key then offsprings should be a burden rather then the raison d'etre. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 2, 2019 11:59:48 GMT
That's the voice of parenthood speaking.
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