I've been declared a terrorist

[voice]

Looks like I've been declared a terrorist, and most other people I know. Being anti-fascist has been declared terrorism in the US. And there was me thinking being anti-fascist was most people's default positions.

Wonder what other ideas and concepts will be illegal next?

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52868295

Antifa is not an organization of any one kind, rather a philosophy many individuals and organizations agree with. Antifa simply means 'anti-fascist'. When they try to ban an idea like that it's because a new sort of fascism is their end goal all along.

[mids]

They're fascist cunts. Are you actually a member?

[voice]

Member of what, I didnt know ideas had membership cards. I mean I've been part of groups who dont like facists most of my adult life, but then I've seldom met any one was actually pro facist, as I said I just always assumed most people were anti facists

[mids]

I'm sure most people are but you'll probably find that antifa has a higher proportion of fascist types than the general population.

[voice]

"Antifa" is a term used to cover any group opposed to fascism much as white supremacists or white nationals are not one single entity but multiple groups so banning "antifa' is largely meaningless and really just another dog whistle to his base and a way to keep the focus off important stuff like why he let 102000 Americans die in 3 months, as it targets a concept not specific groups.

[flatandy]

Are you opposed to fascism, Mids? If so, apparently you're terrorist scum.

[wetkingcanute]

Both voice and andy know perfectly well that anyone can be completely opposed to Fascism and all it stands for and have absolutely nothing to do with Antifa.

They are just being silly.

[flatandy]

WKC knows that the term "Antifa" is basically meaningless and covers all kinds of antifascist groups. Labelling them all as terrorism is clearly nonsense.

But it's red meat to the base who want to knock down the people opposed to the racism that's endemic and systemic in US society and its power structures.

[wetkingcanute]

Yes - you are correct -and I have no idea how the Trump administration are going to police this.
And quite frankly I don't give a damn.

It's just China Town - or nowadays - It's just America.

[Repat Van]

May 31, 2020 19:34:03 GMT voice said:

Looks like I've been declared a terrorist, and most other people I know. Being anti-fascist has been declared terrorism in the US. And there was me thinking being anti-fascist was most people's default positions.

Wonder what other ideas and concepts will be illegal next?

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52868295

Antifa is not an organization of any one kind, rather a philosophy many individuals and organizations agree with. Antifa simply means 'anti-fascist'. When they try to ban an idea like that it's because a new sort of fascism is their end goal all along.

Only Trump could see being anti-fascist as a bad thing.

[voice]

There is no membership list, no official organization. It just means you're opposed to fascism and willing to act on it with the understanding that others are doing the same in a variety of different ways.
If this comes to pass, meaning it is illegal to oppose fascism, and not only illegal, but that the usual due process of law can essentially be ignored because of the definitions of 'domestic terrorism' in the USA Patriot Act and its subsequent renewals, then it's done. America will have made the transition from a country that tends to be at the reactionary end of capitalist democracies, to a fascist state.

[Repat Van]

Jun 1, 2020 3:56:17 GMT voice said:

There is no membership list, no official organization. It just means you're opposed to fascism and willing to act on it with the understanding that others are doing the same in a variety of different ways.
If this comes to pass, meaning it is illegal to oppose fascism, and not only illegal, but that the usual due process of law can essentially be ignored because of the definitions of 'domestic terrorism' in the USA Patriot Act and its subsequent renewals, then it's done. America will have made the transition from a country that tends to be at the reactionary end of capitalist democracies, to a fascist state.

That’s a feature not a bug. They know there is no one organisation called “antifa”.

This allows them to enact anti-terrorism legislation against anybody they don’t like.

[mids]

Anyway it's good that this terrorist organisation has been declared a terrorist organisation.

[jimboky]

Jun 1, 2020 5:55:39 GMT Repat Van said:

Jun 1, 2020 3:56:17 GMT voice said:

There is no membership list, no official organization. It just means you're opposed to fascism and willing to act on it with the understanding that others are doing the same in a variety of different ways.
If this comes to pass, meaning it is illegal to oppose fascism, and not only illegal, but that the usual due process of law can essentially be ignored because of the definitions of 'domestic terrorism' in the USA Patriot Act and its subsequent renewals, then it's done. America will have made the transition from a country that tends to be at the reactionary end of capitalist democracies, to a fascist state.

That’s a feature not a bug. They know there is no one organisation called “antifa”.

This allows them to enact anti-terrorism legislation against anybody they don’t like.

so you are saying they are just a bunch of thugs with no leader, shame, if they had a leader when arrested they might be able to turn on them for a lighter jail time, but with no one to turn on they can just rot in jail, with Trump letting all the minor druggies out there should be plenty of space for them

[voice]

well as the majority of people being opposed to fascism its hard to say such a disparate lot would have a leader, I mean its not like actual fascists such as the KKK or the Proud Boys or White Power and others you probably see as 'fine people' who dress up in robes and hold tiki torches as they march down the street screaming 'Jews will not replace us' and screeching 'sieg heil' and so on. Though as Van says actual fascists like the idea of ideas and concepts being banned as this gives the authorities a wide scope to simply scoop up any dissenters they choose.

newsthump.com/2020/05/31/donald-trump-bans-indiana-jones-franchise-after-learning-of-its-anti-fascist-themes/

[flatandy]

It's super weird that anti-fascism as an idea is declared as terrrrrrrsm while the KKK, a specific organisation whose entire raison d'etre is terrorising part of the population, is not declared as terrorist.

I wonder why that could possibly be...

[jimboky]

cos they are rioters, there is no KKK rioting now, if you are rioting you are a rioter, which ever flag you are flying

[flatandy]

What? So rioters and terrorist organisations are the same thing? And nobody's a terrorist organisation if they aren't terrorising right now?

Why on earth wouldn't the KKK be designated as terrorist?

[voice]

sure, but they have been a violent terrorist organisation for over a century with multiple murders and terrorist attacks to their name, yet there they still are. Where as being opposed to fascists is really what most everyone else tends to be, there is no 'antifa' as a specific organisation in the way there are fascist groups such as i listed, so what he's really doing is dog whitelisting as you can't ban an idea or concept that is so widely held.

[jimboky]

Why on earth wouldn't the KKK be designated as terrorist?


they have been, and would be if they were part of the rioters today, have no love for KKK, they are in my book just like Black Lives Matter, Black Panther, and other such groups