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Post by mids on Dec 11, 2020 8:12:48 GMT
I see Andy's bredrin have slunk off. No longer a joint enterprise.
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Post by rick49 on Dec 11, 2020 10:16:35 GMT
The right-wing in the 60s was so totally understanding of MLK and Malcolm X, and totally didn’t object to it. Yeah. it took right wingers to pass the 1960's civil rights act. but you prefer to re-write history to fit The Narrative. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 11, 2020 11:21:00 GMT
I see Andy's bredrin have slunk off. No longer a joint enterprise. Speaking of joint enterprise: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55261224"Yeah, but at least one of the victims was probably dead when he set fire to them in the locked boot of a car, so ..... you know." |
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 11, 2020 12:14:18 GMT
Black and history.
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Post by flatandy on Dec 11, 2020 12:44:36 GMT
Even on your airbrushed sanitised version of their websie they talk about ending white supremacy forever. Do you disapprove of the goal of ending white supremacy? |
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Post by mids on Dec 11, 2020 12:57:08 GMT
White what?
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Post by flatandy on Dec 11, 2020 12:58:58 GMT
Do you think we should still have a little white supremacy? That ending it forever is a bit of an extreme position?
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Post by mids on Dec 11, 2020 13:03:01 GMT
I really have no idea what "white" "supremacy" is or might be. Everyone is equal to me. (except those who aren't of course)
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Post by voice on Dec 11, 2020 16:52:04 GMT
Those still thinking equality means oppression will never want an end to white supremacy. And its laughable the racists at Millwall have been assigned all sorts of noble intentions by those excusing their visceral reaction to others saying 'hey lets work towards ending racial injustice'
I must add, while BLM have adopted taking a knee, its long been used by those opposing injustice.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 11, 2020 16:54:30 GMT
"others saying 'hey lets work towards ending racial injustice'"
If that's what they were doing. That's like insisting that all those smart young men at Nuremberg rallies were supporting zionism.
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Post by voice on Dec 11, 2020 17:04:07 GMT
What makes you think people showing support for racial equality by a show of solodarity aren't saying they are for racial equality?
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 11, 2020 18:42:14 GMT
Even on your airbrushed sanitised version of their websie they talk about ending white supremacy forever. Do you disapprove of the goal of ending white supremacy? I don't think it exists except in the minds of a few bearded loons in the deep south. Do you believe the footballes are on board with the BLM agenda? |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 11, 2020 19:02:04 GMT
If "The BLM Agenda" is ending racial injustice, then yes.
Do you think they're marxists who are in favour of vandalising statues?
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 11, 2020 19:09:13 GMT
What makes you think people showing support for racial equality by a show of solodarity aren't saying they are for racial equality? How do you know that they aren't just BLM supporters? They are, after all, making a gesture so closely associated with BLM that it might be called The BLM Salute. You know, like that straight-armed salute. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 11, 2020 22:45:13 GMT
If "The BLM Agenda" is ending racial injustice, then yes. Do you think they're marxists who are in favour of vandalising statues? Who, the footballers or BLM? |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 11, 2020 23:11:35 GMT
Either, although I meant the footballers taking a knee at Millwall last weekend.
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Post by perrykneeham on Dec 12, 2020 9:03:21 GMT
Looks like we're in for another couple of Black History months: www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-55282093I wonder if this a sort of outcome of the incoming administration giving tacit approval so that these executions are carried out on Donald's watch rather than during their bright new sparkling administration. It does seem rather convenient. What a bloody awful place. |
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Dec 12, 2020 9:35:09 GMT
Either, although I meant the footballers taking a knee at Millwall last weekend. BLM Marxist, don't really knw. Clearly founded by marxists but I'm not sure I'd recognise a marxist organisation if it pissed in my lunchbox. statue vandalising would seem to be a given. The wesite advocates disruptive action and numerous statues have been vandalised in the name of BLM. And footballers, I already gave you my answer: Which seems to me to leave three alternatives: 1. There are 2 versions of BLM. One the simple message that Black Lives matter supported by footballers and the other a quasi political movement with an extreme agenda. In which case my statement stands: I like the way there is BLM the movement, oft referred to as BLM, and BLM the political organisation, oft referred to as BLM who are clearly a bunch of racist C*nts, but he likes of the Millwall fans are guilty of wilful misinterpretation or conflating issues 2. There is no distinction between the BLM as endorsed by footballers kneeling and the BLM of "We completely expect those who benefit directly and improperly from White supremacy to try and erase our existence." but the Footballers are unaware of the politics of BLM 3. The footballers are fully aware of BLM and it's politics and are endorsing it. In none of those cases does it seem that Millwall are projecting a false narrative. But we seem to be lacking any sort of defence of why backing BLM isn't backing BLM. Maybe you have another alternative, because frankly, to date apart from accusations you've offered nothing. |
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Post by flatandy on Dec 12, 2020 12:25:20 GMT
You still haven’t said why you have a problem with (2) here. Do you think we should still have some white supremacy and still let white supremacists carry on?
As for (1), which is obviously the case, there is a broad BLM movement, which is obviously not racist and anyone who claims it is is being disingenuous. The basic goal is to get black lives to be treated the same as white lives, to understand that Black Lives Matter as much as other lives. It is not an “organisation” as such. It is a very loose collective as far as I can tell, with a wide range of different tactics. The footballers obviously support the goal of BLM while obviously not endorsing all the tactics of all the parts of BLM given that the tactics of different parts of BLM are inherently contradictory so it would be impossible.
I’d bet very good money that if the letters BLM were not associated with the knee taking and fist raising at Millwall games, we would still hear the same objections because the complaints are obviously not about BLM tactics.
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Post by rick49 on Dec 12, 2020 12:28:46 GMT
Researchers identify a new personality construct that describes the tendency to see oneself as a victim"A new personality construct has been defined that describes people who persistently see themselves as victims." "Study authors Rahav Gabay and team describe how the social world is satiated with interpersonal transgressions that are often unpleasant and seemingly unwarranted, such as being interrupted when speaking. While some people can easily brush off these moments of hurt, others tend to ruminate over them and persistently paint themselves as a victim. The authors present this feeling of being the victim as a novel personality construct that influences how people make sense of the world around them." "The researchers call it the Tendency for Interpersonal Victimhood (TIV), which they define as “an ongoing feeling that the self is a victim, which is generalized across many kinds of relationships.” www.psypost.org/2020/12/researchers-identify-a-new-personality-construct-that-describes-the-tendency-to-see-oneself-as-a-victim-58753so-called micro-aggressions.
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