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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 8, 2020 22:03:31 GMT
Also if Rod Liddle set aside his obsession and actually looked into it his questions would quickly be answered - it appears it was the results of a poll. I don’t think you can control who people select. Depends who you offer them. |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 8, 2020 22:24:55 GMT
Also if Rod Liddle set aside his obsession and actually looked into it his questions would quickly be answered - it appears it was the results of a poll. I don’t think you can control who people select. Depends who you offer them. Apparently there were thousands of nominations. If he really wants to advance his argument he would have to examine the nominations as compared to the final list and see if obviously popular selections were left out. He would also need to understand that "people I personally like" may not be enough to make the cut (see: Katherine Birbalsingh). Appears Liddle, as I stated, preferred to let his own personal bugbear and obsession reaction speak for him. Although in fairness he isn't actually a journalist. Just writes opinion pieces which tend to be uninformed. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 9, 2020 5:21:09 GMT
Depends who you offer them. Apparently there were thousands of nominations. If he really wants to advance his argument he would have to examine the nominations as compared to the final list and see if obviously popular selections were left out. He would also need to understand that "people I personally like" may not be enough to make the cut (see: Katherine Birbalsingh). Appears Liddle, as I stated, preferred to let his own personal bugbear and obsession reaction speak for him. Although in fairness he isn't actually a journalist. Just writes opinion pieces which tend to be uninformed. So, from those nominations, which were selected for the poll? |
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Post by mids on Oct 9, 2020 7:34:22 GMT
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 9, 2020 7:40:30 GMT
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Post by mids on Oct 9, 2020 7:42:37 GMT
I think someone's made a terrible mistake. She's the one sitting, fool!  |
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Post by mids on Oct 9, 2020 7:47:29 GMT
"Claims of African ancestry
One of three lines of descent between Charlotte, Margarita de Castro e Sousa, and Madragana.[60]
Since 1940, there have been evolving claims about the ancestry, ethnicity, and racialization of Charlotte.[61] Critics of these claims point out that dozens of portraits and descriptions depict her appearance as a typical Northern European woman,[62] that there is no evidence that her distant ancestor Margarita de Castro e Souza was "black" or from a "black" Portuguese noble family, that her even more distant ancestor Madragana was likely Mozarab and not Moorish,[63][64][65][66][67] and that Charlotte shared descent from Madragana with a large proportion of European royalty, including her husband King George III.[68]
These claims about Charlotte's ancestry began[69] with the contention by Jamaican-American writer J. A. Rogers in his book Sex and Race: Volume I[70] that she must have a "Negro strain" because of her "broad nostrils and heavy lips", as depicted in the 1761 portrait by Allan Ramsay, and a quote by Horace Walpole describing her "nostrils spreading too wide; mouth has the same fault". This claim expanded over time into varied claims that she had "African" ancestry[71] or was "mixed-race",[72][73] "biracial",[74] or "black".[75][76][68]
In 1999, Mario de Valdes y Cocom expanded previous claims in a website developed for PBS Frontline.[71] Valdes claimed that Charlotte had an "unmistakable African appearance" and "negroid physiogomy[sic]" that was the result of distant African ancestry.[77] Valdes cited as evidence the 1761 Allan Ramsay portrait and claimed that her distant ancestor, Margarita de Castro e Souza, a 15th-century Portuguese noblewoman who traced her ancestry to King Afonso III of Portugal (1210–1279) and one of his mistresses, Madragana (c. 1230–?),[68] was from a "black branch of the Portuguese Royal House",[71] without providing evidence of this unsubstantiated claim about the de Sousa family."
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Post by perrykneeham on Oct 9, 2020 10:15:37 GMT
This article has all the hallmarks of a lockdown internship project by some Jocasta or Pandora at The Guardian.
In fact, the whole BLM movement seems to have stemmed from the fact that we don't need anything like as much photocopying to be done these days.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Oct 10, 2020 8:17:19 GMT
And here's some more sh*t: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54388703
'I altered my personality to fit in at work'Pavita Cooper runs More Difference, a recruitment and consultancy firm that promotes diversity.
Working at blue-chip firms for more than 25 years she never felt discriminated against.
But after she left, she realised she had been altering her personality to "fit in".
"I had adapted who I was to fit the environment," Pavita says. "I presented a version of myself that would fit in with them."We all do darling. That's how it works. If I went to work and told everybody who I thought was a c*nt that I think they're a c*nt I'd be out the door in a nano second. I don't. I smile nicely and find something nice to saay about them. Actually I got bored of doing that so I work for myself, but you get my drift. |
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Post by reverend on Oct 10, 2020 12:57:45 GMT
I find the whole BHM shtick to be extremely patronising and condescending, when did black britons get excluded from British history?
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Post by voice on Oct 10, 2020 14:34:03 GMT
when did black britons get excluded from British history? from the get go, thats why we ended up with BHM in the first place. |
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Post by reverend on Oct 10, 2020 14:44:07 GMT
when did black britons get excluded from British history? from the get go, thats why we ended up with BHM in the first place. I would love to see the proof of that one! As we don't have Asian history month or Chinese history month or Japanese history month I assume these British citizens are not excluded, or is this simply patronising black people? Why have black people been singled out by the wokerati? |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 10, 2020 14:59:47 GMT
And here's some more sh*t: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54388703
'I altered my personality to fit in at work'Pavita Cooper runs More Difference, a recruitment and consultancy firm that promotes diversity.
Working at blue-chip firms for more than 25 years she never felt discriminated against.
But after she left, she realised she had been altering her personality to "fit in".
"I had adapted who I was to fit the environment," Pavita says. "I presented a version of myself that would fit in with them."We all do darling. That's how it works. If I went to work and told everybody who I thought was a c*nt that I think they're a c*nt I'd be out the door in a nano second. I don't. I smile nicely and find something nice to saay about them. Actually I got bored of doing that so I work for myself, but you get my drift. Depends on what you are modifying and why. |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 10, 2020 15:00:48 GMT
I find the whole BHM shtick to be extremely patronising and condescending, when did black britons get excluded from British history? Is any of the stuff that comes in October covered in regular classes? I had not thought so. I mean if it’s not for you, you can ignore it. |
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 10, 2020 15:01:11 GMT
from the get go, thats why we ended up with BHM in the first place. I would love to see the proof of that one! As we don't have Asian history month or Chinese history month or Japanese history month I assume these British citizens are not excluded, or is this simply patronising black people? Why have black people been singled out by the wokerati? Why do you care? |
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Post by reverend on Oct 10, 2020 15:10:03 GMT
I would love to see the proof of that one! As we don't have Asian history month or Chinese history month or Japanese history month I assume these British citizens are not excluded, or is this simply patronising black people? Why have black people been singled out by the wokerati? Why do you care? Well maybe I don't think people should be segregated by thier skin colour! It's kind of what racists do! |
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Post by voice on Oct 10, 2020 15:11:17 GMT
Well tbf there have been black people on these shores from Roman times, not so much with Japanese ext.
And the 'wokerati' (who ever the f@ck you think they are) have not driven this, its black people themselves looking for recognition of their contribution to the history of these islands, as, yes they were excluded. Honestly I studied history back in the 80's and I can't think of a single mention of any black people.
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Post by Repat Van on Oct 10, 2020 15:12:37 GMT
Well maybe I don't think people should be segregated by thier skin colour! It's kind of what racists do! People aren’t being segregated by their skin colour. You may as well claim Pride is homophobic. |
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Post by reverend on Oct 10, 2020 15:13:11 GMT
Did they mention any other race specifically, or was being British good enough?
Unless of course you think only white people can be british?
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Post by reverend on Oct 10, 2020 15:14:04 GMT
Well maybe I don't think people should be segregated by thier skin colour! It's kind of what racists do! People aren’t being segregated by their skin colour. You may as well claim Pride is homophobic. Black history month covers who again? |
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