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Post by voice on Aug 14, 2024 15:35:38 GMT
One who was a slave owner who faught to keep slavery, so yeah very much a late Jim Crow thing to name a school after him "show them uppity n$_&-@ who's boss"
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 15:50:03 GMT
No they were in the US when the school was first named in 1960, and as with much of these things, the naming was done in the dying days of Jim Crow as a white supremacy exercise of power. No matter how much they say it’s about “history” it’s clearly about racism. And weird. Why are you honouring the history of an entity that was opposed to the country you are part of. |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 15:51:13 GMT
They weren't in the US. They had seceded.  It’s so weird to me to honour the enemy of the USA, in the USA. This story is in the USA is it not? If not then it becomes even weirder as why the hell would a foreign country give a damn about the confederacy? |
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 15:51:40 GMT
Happier times. Anyway, they weren't honouring the Confederacy, but a significant soldier. A significant confederate soldier. Enemy of the USA. |
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Post by unclejunior on Aug 14, 2024 15:53:12 GMT
Thanx for the word salad …😊
Try again in English ….
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 15:53:13 GMT
Anyway I hope the parents and students win.
Would be like Germany have a school named after Rudolf Hess and being amazed that Jewish German students objected to it.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 16:10:09 GMT
One who was a slave owner who faught to keep slavery, so yeah very much a late Jim Crow thing to name a school after him "show them uppity n$_&-@ who's boss" Ulyses S. Grant owned slaves. |
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voice
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Post by voice on Aug 14, 2024 16:13:31 GMT
yes he did, but he also didn't become a traitor to his own country in order to keep owning people, and fought to end slavery.
your defending of slavery and those who wanted to keep owning people is entirely consistent with your presented beliefs though.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 16:14:53 GMT
Happier times. Anyway, they weren't honouring the Confederacy, but a significant soldier. A significant confederate soldier. Enemy of the USA. West Pointer, career US Army officer until his state seceded. Then rejoined the Union. Significant leader. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 16:16:06 GMT
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 16:18:15 GMT
A significant confederate soldier. Enemy of the USA. West Pointer, career US Army officer until his state seceded. Then rejoined the Union. Significant leader. And enemy of the US state. He left for their enemy and then wanted to move back to them? Sounds like Shamima Begum. |
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Post by voice on Aug 14, 2024 16:22:05 GMT
A significant confederate soldier. Enemy of the USA. West Pointer, career US Army officer until his state seceded. Then rejoined the Union. Significant leader. That's like saying the likes of William Brittain or Raymond Davies Hughes actions were perfectly fine as they served with honor for the Brits before later joining the SS. Oddly the right in the UK haven't succeeded in naming schools after them, perhaps in another 50 years eh? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 17:58:08 GMT
Never heard of them. There you go.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 17:58:54 GMT
West Pointer, career US Army officer until his state seceded. Then rejoined the Union. Significant leader. And enemy of the US state. He left for their enemy and then wanted to move back to them? Sounds like Shamima Begum. He was already dead. Don't let wilfully ignorance get in the way, eh? |
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Post by moggyonspeed on Aug 14, 2024 18:12:42 GMT
I've pretty much always drawn the distinction between the common soldier (of whatever rank really) and the institution they fought for. There was good and bad, for example, on both sides in the First World War, the Second, the Korean War, and in Vietnam, and it is easy for us all, sitting in our studies at our keyboards, to pass judgment on some of those who fought.
We weren't there, we weren't subject to the fear, the desperation, the uncertainty, the deprivation or the fatigue that many in the armed forces were implicitly heir to. "Let the dead bury the dead" as the Bible says and, even though it refers to dead spiritually, I feel we should let those who died in war rest in peace. Moreover, we should celebrate wherever we are now, and however we arrived here - never forgetting the sacrifices made by so very many.
Life really is so very precious.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 18:16:06 GMT
Someone's had a good lunch. And possibly the old green light.
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Post by marechal on Aug 14, 2024 18:48:10 GMT
I don't think taking Stonewall Jackson's name off a school is going to erase him from history.
“Eventually we’ve got to take a stand. If not, we’re gonna lose the country,” board member Marty Helsley said.
The irony.
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 19:04:45 GMT
I did enjoy a video from a “protest” in the USA with a bunch of white supremacist looking dudes.
Waving both confederate and USA flags.
As if they did not grasp that those were in direct opposition to each other.
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 14, 2024 19:06:06 GMT
West Pointer, career US Army officer until his state seceded. Then rejoined the Union. Significant leader. That's like saying the likes of William Brittain or Raymond Davies Hughes actions were perfectly fine as they served with honor for the Brits before later joining the SS. Oddly the right in the UK haven't succeeded in naming schools after them, perhaps in another 50 years eh? People were crying hot tears over the Saddam Hussein Mosque in Brum and they sensibly changed the name. Although I think racists should be allowed to out themselves and that’s what supporters of the confederacy are. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 14, 2024 19:47:39 GMT
Who's supporting the Confederacy?
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