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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 15:28:55 GMT
Although the onslaught was carefully timed before the end of the ultra compliant Bush regime, has boosted the popularity of the Israeli government before the February elections and has done immense damage to the Palestinians, it has not wiped out Hamas as a political force. The war in Gaza that began on 27 December 2008 reaches the end of its third week with its human toll still rising: by the end of 16 January 2009, more than 1,100 people had been killed (including over 300 children) and 5,100 injured (including over 1,500 children). The Israel Defence Forces (IDF's) air attacks intensified as the three-week mark approached, and its tanks and armoured vehicles moved closer into the crowded urban areas where the majority of the strip's 1.5 million Palestinians live. The concentrated assaults have inflicted damage estimated at $1.4 billion on Gaza's infrastructure, destroyed much of the infrastructure of the governing Hamas movement and eliminated some of its senior officials. tinyurl.com/6v9jx7 |
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Post by Brittles on Jan 18, 2009 16:08:06 GMT
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Post by sweet soul on Jan 18, 2009 16:48:15 GMT
Lots read threads, but they dont reply.
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 17:19:45 GMT
Captain, This youtube video you post refers to the killing of Rachel Corrie as a recent event. This dates the film to shortly after March 16, 2003. She was a 23-year-old American member of The International Solidarity Movement which undertakes non-violent protests against the Israeli occupation of the Palestine territories. She was with a group of British and American protesters, trying to stop the demolition of a house in Rafah, Gaza, when she was crushed by a Caterpillar bulldozer, driven by a Russian immigrant, who claimed it was an accident. The film begins with the murder of a Hamas official by an Israeli missile and follow-up missiles which caused many more casualties. It then moves on to where the camera crew are under fire from the Israeli army watchtowers which surround the Palestinian territories. The bulldozing of Palestinian homes by the Israeli military happens often. "5,000 homes have been demolished since the beginning of the second Intifada (October 2000) through 2004." Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions tinyurl.com/7pubeh Many more have been demolished since then. The current onslaught has done tremendous damage as well as enormously increasing the routine toll of Palestinian deaths and injuries inflicted by the Israeli army. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 20:36:56 GMT
Has Israel failed?
Have any of us ever failed?
What is failing?
Saving people's souls is ok but can you give them guarantees?
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Post by newyorker on Jan 18, 2009 20:45:37 GMT
Has Israel failed? What? They didn't cover it in the latest issue of Hamas Weekly?
But seriously, if you think Israel destroying most of Hamas's weapons cache, eliminating key Hamas leaders, killing off loads of Hamas foot troops, destroying all of Hamas's smuggling tunnels is a failure. Well then it was a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2009 20:54:23 GMT
Did the Armenians fail?
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Post by sweet soul on Jan 18, 2009 21:12:24 GMT
' Has Isreal failed '
has the pope turned muslim?
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Post by bertrus2 on Jan 18, 2009 21:21:00 GMT
The Israeli onslaught has destroyed every government building and 4,000 homes, and smashed Gaza’s water, sewerage and electricity infrastructure. More than 100,000 people have left their homes. tinyurl.com/8pbtt2 The destruction was carefully planned and the timing was excellent. The impact on public opinion in the United States will be reduced by the attention focussed on the new President. Israeli troops are, once again, inside Gaza, as opposed to manning the perimeter of the ghetto. The question is, What next? In the short term, it boosts the electoral chances of the Israeli government for the February elections. But, after that? An independent, sovereign Palestinian state is unthinkable. |
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Post by reverend on Jan 18, 2009 22:23:01 GMT
Total military defeat of Hamas on the ground can hardly be considered a defeat to Israel no matter how deluded you are, they controll the ground, they are able to maneuver at will, hamas is unable to do anything other than run or die in place!
especially when Hamas signed up to a six month ceasefire to prepare for this conflict! because if you really think this battle was accidental your living in diddyland!!
Hamas bought into the farcical notion that Hisbolah defeated the Israelis in 06, as we see, Hisbolah are keeping well out of this despite thier alledged alliance with Hamas, why?, because in reality failing to stop the Israelis, losing 600 of your men in the process, having half your country country overrun and ending up with the humiliation of having UN troops keeping you in order on your own soil was no victory at all!
the rockets were stopped Hisbolah was stopped and a level of deterrence was initiated which will keep the Lebanon front quiet for years!
Hamas prepared for thier own "devine victory " and instead suffered a severe mauling, they failed dismally to understand what caused Israel the problems in Lebanon, namely the terrain on the Lebanese side of the border, which canalises and restricts maneuver handing huge tactical advantages to the defander, and failed to watch what the Israeli military have been doing since then, who accepted thier reservists and some regulars were poorly trained in FIBUA tactics and have been rectifying the problem since then with updated taraining and they basically missed the Israeli rectification of the poor intel it held on the enemy in 06!
this has been a very effective israeli operation, they know you cant stop a couple of guys aiming rockets then firing them on a timer whilst they leg it, but they also know from thier mauling of Hisbolah that deterrence is the best path to non conrontation with Islamist terrorists!
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Post by Brittles on Jan 18, 2009 23:47:07 GMT
Hey Rev. maybe you should change your name to Rabbi.
It never ceases to amaze me how intelligent people can defend a state that achieved its power through terrorism - which the current Israeli state did without question and now that same state professes to be the front line against terrorism.
What a fcuking joke.
Ask me how many British soldiers (men who had just defeated Nazi Germany and liberated Belsen) were murdered by Jewish/Zionist/Hagannah (call them what you like) terrorists when they violently suceeded in setting up their illegal state in 1948.
Any Brit that supports the state of Israel is spitting on the graves of those British soldiers.
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Post by reverend on Jan 19, 2009 0:15:11 GMT
my old man was deployed in palestine in 46&7 so dont preach that line if you dont know what british soldiers did to jews and arabs alike and the fact that British soldiers were killed by arabs and jews !
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Post by Brittles on Jan 19, 2009 0:32:24 GMT
my old man was deployed in palestine in 46&7 so dont preach that line if you dont know what british soldiers did to jews and arabs alike and the fact that British soldiers were killed by arabs and jews ! Is your old man telling you that he and his comrades shot Jews and arabs through the back of the head while they knelt on the ground? Is he telling you that he and his comrades blew up Jewish hotels and killed dozens within ? Is he telling you that there are not dozens of British slodiers lying in the CWGC cemetery at Ramleh/Ramla? Read the History of 6 Airborne Div. 1946/7/8 I'll give you the ISBN number if you like. |
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Post by reverend on Jan 19, 2009 0:40:16 GMT
he told me of back street shootings, he told me of jewsish activists arrested then "released" in arab villages to be lynched, he told me of reprisals against arabs who bombed british convoys, the killing of arabs and jews who were suspected of attacks on british soldiers, I doubt you know the half of it, he was just a kid on his first overseas deployment, he came back a lot older and wiser!
he was there and he fekin hates arabs and jews alike!
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Post by tarrant on Jan 19, 2009 1:21:18 GMT
I think most of us are aware of the intolerable behaviour of the British Empire office and the way its staff behaved.
That was the principal reason for the abolision of the British Empire along with the office that managed it.
Sad, but it's a detail of history.
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Post by newyorker on Jan 19, 2009 3:18:03 GMT
Hey Rev. maybe you should change your name to Rabbi. It never ceases to amaze me how intelligent people can defend a state that achieved its power through terrorism - which the current Israeli state did without question and now that same state professes to be the front line against terrorism. What a fcuking joke. Your post is the f**king joke. "a state that achieved its power through terrorism", what a utter and complete steaming pile of bullsh*t. Regurgitated nonsense, "Israel founded through terrorism", "Zionist Nazi entity", yadda, yadda, do try to come up with something unque or at least something Ahmadinejad wouldn't be spitting out of his pie hole. |
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Post by reverend on Jan 19, 2009 8:59:46 GMT
I think most of us are aware of the intolerable behaviour of the British Empire office and the way its staff behaved. That was the principal reason for the abolision of the British Empire along with the office that managed it. Sad, but it's a detail of history. What you have to bear in mind is the British army after WW2 had considerable numbers of war veterans who were quite brutalised by years of total war against germany, thats not to excuse or defend the actions of some but it's a factor that has to be taken into account , different times different mentality! |
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Post by silkbreeze on Jan 19, 2009 9:16:25 GMT
before you cry too much for the british, during ww2 who, from palestine, assisted the allies in their war efforts.....
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Post by reverend on Jan 19, 2009 9:22:54 GMT
noones crying Silk, just addressing the inconsistencies in the anti jewish fraternities agenda!
and yes the Jews did assist the allies in both europe and the western desert, and also during the arab uprising in palestine!
but there was arab and jewish terrorism in palestine in the run up to May 14th 1948, I have no allegiances in the middle east, in fact I'm quite ambivalent toward both sides, I just hate one side or other claiming it was all the fault of one particular party dependant on thier predjudice!
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Post by mids on Jan 19, 2009 9:24:26 GMT
Good anaylsis on the defeat of Hamas there Rev.
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