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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 12:12:25 GMT
*Shrug* didn’t Trump then go on to sign a deal with these same people.
already addressed that. the previous page button is your friend.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 12:14:31 GMT
"the buck stops with me" joe isn't only blaming trump, he's blaming obama too.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 13:19:46 GMT
biden blames everyone else, refuses to answer any questions, and runs back to camp david. now thats leadership!
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Post by flatandy on Aug 17, 2021 13:26:01 GMT
Ironically, it appears that like a stopped clock, Trump might have been right when he surrendered to the Taliban and decided to scurry away from Afghanistan. The more I read about the utter failure of nation building, and the total corrupt uselessness of the Afghan government, the inability to create any kind of functioning civil society, and the fact that the Afghan military was completely unable to do anything without US support - particularly high-tech air support, the fact that what existed of a legal system was utterly corrupt and arbitrary, makes me increasingly convinced that Trump's surrender was probably the right choice. And, in fact, for many Afghans - particularly outside Kabul, where capricious warlords basically controlled territory, ruling with iron fist and an extremist islam of their own - life might not actually be much worse.
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Post by voice on Aug 17, 2021 15:46:18 GMT
Saw this report last night on just how much of the trillions the US poured into Afghanistan ended up siphoned off by corrupt officials, it was staggering, huge narco stle villas with Trump levels of tackiness, gold toilets you name it. You can bet Ghani and his cohorts left with suitcases stuffed with US $.
Odd Rick now thinks the US should have continued with this policy.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 16:04:12 GMT
even the washington post isn't swallowing the finger pointer in chief's swill. WaPo editors: Let's face it, the buck for this avoidable disaster stops with Biden"The editorial board of the Washington Post agrees — on where the buck actually stops. One can get a sense of this agreement in the video montage of Biden’s speech they put together: "Imagine how desperate a person must be to risk piggybacking on a moving airplane; such is the betrayal of the trust so many Afghans placed in the United States."
"Worse, this was avoidable."hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/08/17/wapo-editors-lets-face-it-the-buck-for-this-avoidable-disaster-stops-with-biden-n409423but all is not lost for afghan joe. andy, the nurse, and van still have their heads stuck up his butt hole. |
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Post by ootlg on Aug 17, 2021 16:07:05 GMT
Easier, but not actually correct. That's a bit like understanding that 2+2 = twelfty. What's not correct? |
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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 16:13:48 GMT
more good news for foreign policy expert joe. Europe: Say, wasn't Biden supposed to be a foreign policy expert?"So is this how Joe Biden planned to “restore America’s standing” in the world? If so, count our allies and security partners in the West completely unimpressed. Politico Europe reported last night that Biden’s chaotic and catastrophic bug-out in Afghanistan has horrified leaders across the continent, many of whom are just now coming to grips with Robert Gates’ acerbic summation of Biden’s supposed expertise: hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2014/01/08/wh-hey-who-doesnt-like-and-respect-joe-biden-n186801 "Until Sunday, Europe thought Joe Biden was an expert on foreign policy."
"Now, the American president’s decision to allow Afghanistan to collapse into the arms of the Taliban has European officials worried he has unwittingly accelerated what his predecessor Donald Trump started: the degradation of the Western alliance and everything it is supposed to stand for in the world."
"Across Europe, officials have reacted with a mix of disbelief and a sense of betrayal. Even those who cheered Biden’s election and believed he could ease the recent tensions in the transatlantic relationship said they regarded the withdrawal from Afghanistan as nothing short of a mistake of historic magnitude."hotair.com/ed-morrissey/2021/08/17/europe-say-wasnt-biden-supposed-to-be-a-foreign-policy-expert-n409371 |
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Post by ootlg on Aug 17, 2021 16:17:16 GMT
Saw this report last night on just how much of the trillions the US poured into Afghanistan ended up siphoned off by corrupt officials, it was staggering, huge narco stle villas with Trump levels of tackiness, gold toilets you name it. You can bet Ghani and his cohorts left with suitcases stuffed with US $. Odd Rick now thinks the US should have continued with this policy. I know. You have to be some kind of stupid or utterly naive to believe that most governments aren't corrupt. The Russians reported that he left with a helicopter full of booty followed by a lorryload of the same. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 17, 2021 16:17:45 GMT
Saw this report last night on just how much of the trillions the US poured into Afghanistan ended up siphoned off by corrupt officials, it was staggering, huge narco stle villas with Trump levels of tackiness, gold toilets you name it. You can bet Ghani and his cohorts left with suitcases stuffed with US $. Odd Rick now thinks the US should have continued with this policy. This is true. It has been a clusterfuck from beginning to end by the USA. I still hold that something had to be done at the outset and that that couldn't be left at smashing the Taliban. The nation-building has been a model of how to get played by shrewd tribesmen (proper, lifelong, cultural politicians, diplomats and leaders) and the exit has been utterly, profoundly, spectacularly dreadful. It is this end bit that we are discussing. There is plenty of shame to go round the parties and the institutions of the US, but the last chapter is certainly Biden's. |
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Post by ootlg on Aug 17, 2021 16:19:55 GMT
He was dealt a shit hand, you have to admit.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 17, 2021 16:22:33 GMT
I would add that the blame is particularly America's to own. The other participants were, I think, acting in good faith when they agreed to help out. You can make some observations about the performance of our allies (the Germans weren't allowed out at night and the Australians appear to have killed for kicks) but they were trying to help.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 17, 2021 16:23:32 GMT
He was dealt a sh it hand, you have to admit. He asked for the card. And then he played it as badly as it's possible to do. |
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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 16:23:54 GMT
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Post by ootlg on Aug 17, 2021 16:35:14 GMT
He was dealt a sh it hand, you have to admit. He asked for the card. And then he played it as badly as it's possible to do. Bit simplistic that. He was voted in by the US population and he had to deal with it. What would you have done in his place? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 17, 2021 16:38:52 GMT
Did he not want to be POTUS then? Is he not a career politician?
FFS.
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Post by rick49 on Aug 17, 2021 16:41:41 GMT
taliban conducting a sweep for 12 year old brides. say they will respect womens rights under islamic law.
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Post by perrykneeham on Aug 17, 2021 16:44:19 GMT
"Old enough to bleed, old enough to butcher" sayeth the Messenger of Allah.
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Post by flatandy on Aug 17, 2021 16:45:49 GMT
I would add that the blame is particularly America's to own. The other participants were, I think, acting in good faith when they agreed to help out. You can make some observations about the performance of our allies (the Germans weren't allowed out at night and the Australians appear to have killed for kicks) but they were trying to help. Blair's Britain also did a spectacularly sh*t job. As #1 Ally of the Yanks and the second most serious provider of manpower, Blighty did a very poor job. Kandahar is no better off than Kabul. British administration didn't make things better than the useless US administration. The fact that you're looking at the function of the military among the Germs and Australians shows that you still think of it as a military boondoggle rather than actually trying to build a proper civil society that might actually work. But, fundamentally, you are right. The absolute lions share of this comes down to the Americans. We spent trillions of dollars on what appears to have been a mostly pointless game in offering bribes to Afghan warlords. The system set up in 2002 and 2003 under Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld was doomed to fail because they combined a mixture of embarrassing naivete about the magical charm of the US and how everyone wanted to be like us, with a rotten cynicism about money, and an apathy about foreign deaths. |
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Post by flatandy on Aug 17, 2021 16:48:20 GMT
He was dealt a sh it hand, you have to admit. He asked for the card. And then he played it as badly as it's possible to do. He was given a 2 of Hearts as the only card left after he took over Trump's hand where Trump had bid 6 Diamonds despite having nothing higher than a 9 in his hand. Biden's played it as badly and as well as you could play it. |
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