The Queen

[flatandy]

Anyway, has anyone started working out how many more people they’ll have to kill to become monarch, yet? I fear that I may not have anyone in any royal line going back hundreds of generations. I may have to get myself appointed emperor by popular decree rather than divine right.

[perrykneeham]

Sept 10, 2022 18:45:46 GMT flatandy said:

So you’re defending Bridges now?

I wasn't attacking him. It was fine.

Kneejerk, much?

[perrykneeham]

Sept 10, 2022 18:49:51 GMT flatandy said:

Sept 10, 2022 12:26:00 GMT perrykneeham said:

See, this is offensive ....

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/picture/2022/sep/09/martin-rowson-on-the-accession-of-king-charles-iii-cartoon

It's just thick and unfunny.

Are there any political cartoons that are ever funny? I know all American ones are only funny in their terribleness.

Very few. Especially in America.

[perrykneeham]

Kate, pedigree filly v Widdow Twankee.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-62862575

[flatandy]

They all look like they should put on a few pounds. Diana's eating condition seems to have become hereditary-by-marriage.

[flatandy]

I think this is pretty good. I think it will create apoplexy among most of you:

brokenbottleboy.substack.com/p/mourning-sickness

[perrykneeham]

First paragraph, tripe.

"If an adult told you they sincerely believed in unicorns or that a piece of fan fiction they really enjoyed should provide the bedrock for an entire political system, you wouldn’t be expected to take them seriously. But in 2022, the UK remains a place where it is not considered immediately and irredeemably ludicrous to believe that a small group of people can be born to rule by dint of emerging from a magic vagina."

In what way is believing in unicorns relevant? In what way fan fiction?

The fact remains that 9 of the 11 (made up, but in that ballpark) most prosperous and highly developed countries on Earth have constitutional monarchies, and have done so for millennia.

[flatandy]

Uh huh? Constitutional monarchies for millennia?

Anyway, that response kind of proves the point of the article. You somehow think that despite the monarch having no power or control or ability to do anything that they still have the magical aura to make things better for a country because they emerged from a magic vagina. And that observing that this is entirely ludicrous is something that absolutely can’t be said in the British media.

[perrykneeham]

You're massively over-reaching there. There's no evidence of an aura. It just works. Why would you worry about it if there's no practical be benefit in changing it? Not even a philosophical one really. Donald Trump, the Bushes, etc. All heads of state that you say were harmful to their people.

[flatandy]

Once again you make the bizarre leap from having a monarchy to having a US style presidency even though the article was pointing out the comparison to largely power-free Presidencies like Ireland.

And the article points out that the media have been highlighting the Queen’s magical aura, telling us repeatedly how the country got so much better because of her, yet at the same time telling us how she yielded no power. If both things are true - Britain got better because of QE2 and QE2 did nothing - then the only answer is magical aura magic mystery magic.

[perrykneeham]

Nothing magical about the US Presidency that's for sure.

Sorry .... do you have a point?

[Repat Van]

I mean I do like pomp and ceremony but can freely admit that the concept of monarchy is ridiculous:

“But in 2022, the UK remains a place where it is not considered immediately and irredeemably ludicrous to believe that a small group of people can be born to rule by dint of emerging from a magic vagina."

I mean come on ^^ that is ridiculous!

[ootlg]

If the visual characteristics of the personalities are absurd enough, they can be very funny. Scarfe was good at it. But political messages are rarely funny in themselves.

[mids]

Will the left ever get over the death of the Queen?

[ootlg]

Who?

[ootlg]

While it is easy to see the absurdity of a 'royal' family I can sort of live with the fact that in the right circumstances having a Royal Family can help stabilise a nation.

[mids]

Great country France. I've always said so.

"The tribute paid by France to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II has been heartfelt, fulsome and moving. French media across the board have paid generous homage, as though to one of their finest, to Britain’s longest serving monarch – surpassed in world history only by Louis XIV acceding as a babe-in-arms. This vicarious Panthéonisation was admirably encapsulated by Emmanuel Macron, the 10th French president the British sovereign had known. In a moving video in English posted on Twitter on Friday, foregrounded against the Union Jack, he poignantly encapsulated the feelings of his people and their ‘emptiness’ at the British monarch’s death: ‘To you she was your Queen; to us she was the Queen’.



President Macron reminded us that the Queen’s six state visits to France are unsurpassed by any head of state, not to mention the host of unofficial visits she made in a private capacity to race courses and Normandy horse breeders. 'With her, France and the United Kingdom shared not just an "entente cordiale'" but a warm, sincere and loyal partnership.' And the President added that the Queen will always be with us and we will commemorate and perpetuate the values she ceaselessly incarnated and promoted: the moral force of democracy and liberty.



That Britain and France have been joined historically since the 11th century needs no repeating. Much of the ceremony in the coming days of succession has its roots in Norman and French traditions shared with France’s 1000 years of monarchy. Even today the sovereign promulgates parliamentary bills with the Norman French words ‘La Reyne le veult’ (The Queen wishes it) now to be ‘Le Roy le veult’. The President rounded off his tributes with a personal letter to King Charles III that has not been made public. He could have added a reference to recent history when in 1940 and again in 1956 our two countries discussed the constitutional possibility of a joint regime with shared citizenship."

www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-french-loved-the-queen

[ootlg]

Queenie and Macron got on well together. But a joint regime? Gammon exploding time. Sounds like a good idea to me.

[ootlg]

And it's been on telly here, taking up the news, since Thursday. Weird though, the traditional enmity between the countries considering how close they are historically.

[Repat Van]

Sept 11, 2022 12:27:50 GMT mids said:

Will the left ever get over the death of the Queen?

Seem like they’ve forgotten it the day after it happened.