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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 3, 2023 7:38:46 GMT
"England’s growing buildings crisis could expand beyond schools to other public buildings such as hospitals and courts, experts have said. More than 100 schools were forced to partially or fully close this week after a dramatic escalation of the government’s approach towards crumbling concrete." www.theguardian.com/education/2023/sep/02/uk-concrete-crisis-raac-problems-could-extend-to-hospitals-and-courts-experts-sayThis has all the hallmarks of the latest public sector merry-go-round for the usual suspects. This looks and feels like a carefully orchestrated fit-up. I've gone full-on cynical git about this and my radar for tax-spunking is rarely wrong. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 3, 2023 7:45:35 GMT
Looks like another triumph by the Building Research Establishment (BRE) of flammable cladding fame.
To be fair, they may have approved RAAC as a cladding material, but it appears to have been used as a load-bearing element.
As usual, the BBC arts grads are struggling to explain the problem and clearly don't understand compression and extension.
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Post by happyhammerhead on Sept 3, 2023 7:52:31 GMT
As usual, the BBC arts grads are struggling to explain the problem and clearly don't understand compression and extension. Is it a form of autoeroticism? I'd have thought the arts grads would be quite the experts. |
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Post by flatandy on Sept 3, 2023 13:36:23 GMT
“We’re talking millions of pounds to survey a roof in a corridor just to know where the problems are”
You’d start by assuming that this is either hyperbolic bullshit or someone not understanding what they’ve been told, but if it’s true there’s something very wrong. Having a look in a roof and checking the state of the materials is not a 7 digit enterprise even despite Britain’s disastrous Tory hyperinflation.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 3, 2023 20:43:26 GMT
The number won't be far off the mark, when all's said and done. f**k all to do with the Tories, mind, as the public sector call the shots these days and governance has become the theatre of the absurd.
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Post by voice on Sept 3, 2023 20:56:05 GMT
So, your saying this tory government is so weak it can't even get its own employees to work correctly.
Time they, went I'm sure we can all agree, a rare moment of unity no doubt .
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 3, 2023 21:03:52 GMT
So, your saying this tory government is so weak it can't even get its own employees to work correctly. Time they, went I'm sure we can all agree, a rare moment of unity no doubt . Sadly, they're not their employees. They are the permanent staff that should have been across this but gave somehow put themselves in the pound seats, again. |
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Post by voice on Sept 3, 2023 21:19:40 GMT
Yeah, weakness on top of ineptitude, time the Tories went, I like it when all agree.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 3, 2023 21:46:38 GMT
Starmer's been very quiet on the topic. For good reason. He can't claim that he didn't know about it, that his response would have been different or that Labour have a better solution.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 3, 2023 22:15:14 GMT
The number won't be far off the mark, when all's said and done. f**k all to do with the Tories, mind, as the public sector call the shots these days and governance has become the theatre of the absurd. But surely it shouldn't cost millions. I'm sure it does because once they analyse this stuff there will be ridiculous requirement for excessive diligence, rather than a quick cursory check which, in 99.9% of cases would be sufficient. And because the contract will be captive to some business who has a very different rate for looking in the attic of a state run institution than they would charge for looking in the house of a regular person. |
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Post by flatandy on Sept 3, 2023 22:16:20 GMT
Starmer's been very quiet on the topic. For good reason. He can't claim that he didn't know about it, that his response would have been different or that Labour have a better solution. Starmer's a chocolate teapot if chocolate teapots could be a bit racist and rotten as well as useless. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2023 6:03:00 GMT
The number won't be far off the mark, when all's said and done. f**k all to do with the Tories, mind, as the public sector call the shots these days and governance has become the theatre of the absurd. But surely it shouldn't cost millions. I'm sure it does because once they analyse this stuff there will be ridiculous requirement for excessive diligence, rather than a quick cursory check which, in 99.9% of cases would be sufficient. And because the contract will be captive to some business who has a very different rate for looking in the attic of a state run institution than they would charge for looking in the house of a regular person. Spot on. You watch. It's now a known hazard and there may - MAY - also be an asbestos risk. There will be surveyors, structural engineers, H&S wonks, specialist access equipment, environmental consultants, diversity champions etc. It's a blank cheque and we're about to get utterly rinsed. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2023 7:49:59 GMT
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Post by mids on Sept 4, 2023 7:53:09 GMT
More civil service insurrection.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Sept 4, 2023 8:24:29 GMT
More civil service insurrection. "Sunak halved schools repair budget in 2021 - civil servant" : Tail wags dog ...That's right - the nasty, evil Civil Service forced Sunak to halve the repair budget for schools. Thing is, if, as you'd have us believe, the Tories can't control the Civil Service and they cut budgets because these same bureaucrats tell them to, it kinda begs the question as to exactly what this Tory government is fit for. Answers on a postcard please ... |
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2023 8:54:58 GMT
What you're struggling with here is the difference between the Government and the Civil Service: one gives direction and the other provides the framework for the execution of that policy, including research and resourcing.
It's perfectly reasonable for a government to prioritise expenditure, assuming that they're being properly briefed by the Civil Service.
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Post by moggyonspeed on Sept 4, 2023 9:09:42 GMT
So, if what you say is true, the Government should do the right thing in calling out the Civil Service for its alleged improper briefing on this matter. The Express, Mail, Sun and Telegraph will have a field-day with this welcome piece of news, again acting as the Government's mouthpiece in justifying a root-and-branch cleaning out of the stable.
Unless, of course, the Civil Service can prove that it briefed the Tories correctly all along, making the current fiasco one of the Government's own making. Still, as long as the various RAAC contractors were making contributions to Conservative Central Office funds, then no harm done, eh?
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2023 9:34:44 GMT
Ah, you're getting there: the Government still has the right and the duty to prioritise expenditure, based on the best available information.
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Post by perrykneeham on Sept 4, 2023 9:37:15 GMT
Back when the SA80 bullpup rifle was introduced as the standard weapon of UK's armed forces, Civil Servants were given the nickname SA80, as they don't often work and can't be fired.
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Post by flatandy on Sept 4, 2023 17:01:53 GMT
“Nothing more important than student safety”. I despise this kind of language. It is an invitation to burn cash. You shouldn’t spend 12 billion quid in order to prevent a single child from grazing their knee. There’s still a perfectly reasonable point where you say “this costs too f**k**g much to potentially save very few lives”
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