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Post by flatandy on Apr 18, 2024 13:57:14 GMT
Hmm. Lots to unpick here:
1 - he's rapist scum
2 - he had leave to remain something like 20 years ago, so I'm not sure how he's a failed asylum seeker; he appears to be an actual refugee who was granted asylum
3 - deportation agents shouldn't break peoples' hands because that muddies the waters on who gets to stay or leave
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Post by mids on Apr 18, 2024 14:01:58 GMT
Where's the proof his hand was injured?
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 18, 2024 14:02:57 GMT
“ The cabin crew's intervention came amid claims Mayela's hand had been broken by deportation minders who handcuffed his wrists and taped his legs together. Weeks later, Mayela won leave to remain after lawyers said that deportation would be against his human rights while police investigated the handlers for alleged assault” Ok this provides more context. It was alleged his hand had been broken while prepped for the flight and the cabin crew refused to take off (presumably until he received medical attention). Seems reasonable. And the 15 year old girl he raped? Does that "seem reasonable"? For all your babble about rape and violence against women, it's always conditional with you. What's the skin colour or politics of those involved is your first response. I think your emotions are causing you not to read properly. Which is why you are conflating weird things around “skin colour” (your obsession), “politics” and “rape and violence against women”. Take a deep breath, calm down and try to re read. I am not commenting on his crime. I have no problem with rapists being deported. I am commenting on the decision made by the cabin crew. When did he rape the 15 year old girl? Was the crew told he had raped / planned to rape a 15 year old girl when they refused to take off with a man with a broken hand? Unless that information was made available to them at the time they made the decision it’s irrelevant to the actions of the crew. You are allegedly an academic you should be able to keep up. ((Although you are the kind of person who supports extrajudicial killings by police if the person killed has a criminal past (of which they are unaware.) which is probably why you are struggling to follow). If the crew knew he had raped a 15 year old girl and still chose to help him they should deported with him. You have posted nothing that shows that to be the case. |
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 18, 2024 14:07:58 GMT
Oh it was in the title:
He raped the girl after his deportation was blocked.
Unless the crew are powerful psychics or genuine fortune tellers linking the two is weird.
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Post by mids on Apr 18, 2024 14:54:00 GMT
You know the most important thing is that he raped a child, don't you? This was after two deportation orders, both of which he got out of by claiming injury. Then he raped a child.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 18, 2024 14:58:59 GMT
He got out of because he was injured by the deportation agents. Basically, a child was raped because the deportation agents acted like scum rather than considered due and fair process and behaved like humans.
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Post by mids on Apr 18, 2024 14:59:59 GMT
Where's the proof he was injured?
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 18, 2024 16:00:41 GMT
You know the most important thing is that he raped a child, don't you? This was after two deportation orders, both of which he got out of by claiming injury. Then he raped a child. The article you posted doesn’t know that. It’s carried on at length in the title and body about the actions of the crew. They are linking two completely unrelated things. As are you. You seem to think that the cabin crew are the reason a girl was raped. The crew intervened due to a suspected injured passenger (which I am sure is online with their training). Later said passenger raped a girl. If you don’t want to blame the actual rapist then you could blame the handlers who led to the situation where they refused to fly with an injured passenger. But it’s a red herring talking about “do-gooder cabin crew” unless they were privy to some additional information. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 18, 2024 16:28:11 GMT
He got out of because he was injured by the deportation agents. Basically, a child was raped because the deportation agents acted like scum rather than considered due and fair process and behaved like humans. If he'd obeyed the lawful instructions given, he wouldn't have injured himself, if indeed he did. |
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Post by mids on Apr 18, 2024 16:34:43 GMT
You've become crazed. Even more crazed, perhaps.
That to Vania, obvs. Also, he was never injured.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 18, 2024 17:43:29 GMT
He got out of because he was injured by the deportation agents. Basically, a child was raped because the deportation agents acted like scum rather than considered due and fair process and behaved like humans. If he'd obeyed the lawful instructions given, he wouldn't have injured himself, if indeed he did. How do you know he wouldn't have been assaulted by law-enforcement if he'd obeyed instructions? There's no evidence in the reports I've seen about how they broke his hand. |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 18, 2024 17:54:15 GMT
Or if indeed he did. Did anyone else injure themselves through illegal disobedience?
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 18, 2024 18:02:19 GMT
He got out of because he was injured by the deportation agents. Basically, a child was raped because the deportation agents acted like scum rather than considered due and fair process and behaved like humans. If he'd obeyed the lawful instructions given, he wouldn't have injured himself, if indeed he did. Where did you see that he ignored lawful instructions? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 18, 2024 18:05:11 GMT
In the evidence. Do you imagine it is likely you'll be injured while being handcuffed by trained professionals if you are compliant?
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Post by flatandy on Apr 18, 2024 18:33:04 GMT
Yes, if they're a bunch of violent cunts who are encouraged by their bosses and peers to act like violent cunts and there is no penalty for brutality and abuse.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 18, 2024 18:48:11 GMT
Yes, if they're a bunch of violent cunts who are encouraged by their bosses and peers to act like violent cunts and there is no penalty for brutality and abuse. Really? Or just your fever dream? |
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 18, 2024 19:58:10 GMT
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Post by voice on Apr 18, 2024 21:21:55 GMT
In the evidence. Do you imagine it is likely you'll be injured while being handcuffed by trained professionals if you are compliant? oh you sweet summer child, charmingly naïve, but woefully unprepared for the real world. |
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Post by flatandy on Apr 18, 2024 22:10:47 GMT
I mean can you conceivably imagine a world where law enforcement officers don't uphold the finest possible standards, and where they might actually misbehave and abuse someone? Someone who isn't white? I mean, it's really hard to conceive of such a situation. It seems wildly, wildly implausible.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 18, 2024 22:33:49 GMT
In the evidence. Do you imagine it is likely you'll be injured while being handcuffed by trained professionals if you are compliant? What evidence? |
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