Is this the start of a movement - or ...

[perrykneeham]

Cable street indeed.

It is possible to be seen as racist and correct of course. It's all the Left have  - isms.  Whatever protected characteristic can be used for deflection in lieu of an argument.

[mids]

Something has definitely changed. It might not be quite a movement yet. It lacks a leader or group to coalesce around. Predictably, the left are clueless and panicking and falling back on their tired old tropes. Zzzzzzzz...

[perrykneeham]

The Left are just so .... defeated. Th3y can't offer hope to anyone because they have no ideas, just vacuous dogma.

[wetkingcanute]

In answer to your question WKC, no, this nothing new, populists have been whipping up anti furriner outrage for a very very long time, fake rumors after the great fire of london saw mobs whipped up against foreigners and many were beaten to death cos it was put about they did it. Whipping up hatred against the outsider is probably as old as humanity. And this latest bout of bigotry is little different. In the modern context those who whip up the mob today to shout at refugees are little different to Mosley rallying his Black Shirts to march down Cable Street shouting at Jews. As ever you have to look at who's organising and whipping this stuff up, and look at why. It's not the WI is it, it's far right proto-facists who wear slogans such as 6MWNE or 88 and so on. If it upsets you to be called racist for doing racist stuff, then stop being racist, and stop being so easily lead by bigots.


This happened the last time I posted something similar - I don't understand it. I use simple words and people just completely misunderstand them.

I'm not talking about populists whipping up "anti furriner outrage" I'm talking about ordinary people who are concerned at being called Fascist and Racist and not having their concerns listened to. Of course there are racists and fascist but I am not talking about them. I loath Fascism and racism with every bone in my body - and have experienced both so know them well. But to repeat - and try to make it clear: The Labour party and people on the Left in general have got to listen to ordinary people, listen and act on their concerns without just bracketing them all as "morons; racist and fascist".
I do not want to see the UK move to the Right like parts of Europe.

[wetkingcanute]

I think from now on I'll stick to stories like this...

A 35-year-old tortoise has been stolen, sparking a police appeal.
Sussex Police said the pet was taken on 21 July after someone broke into an outbuilding in the Hassocks area.
The owner, who has lived with the tortoise its whole life, is "devastated that their beloved pet has been taken," the force said.
"She rarely eats of her own accord, only really the food that is offered by the owner and has set routines," a police spokesperson said.
The tortoise - which Sussex Police did not name - was described by officers as being about 6in (15cm) across and weighing around 6.5lbs (3kg).
Its owner is "worried sick about what is happening to her," the police spokesperson says.
"Tortoises are not the easiest of animals to look after and require knowledgeable care to remain healthy and happy."
The tortoise's house was also stolen, according to Sussex Police.
The force has urged people to share the story among family and friends, and to contact them if they have information about the theft.

[mids]

Well it's a nice story but we shouldn't let the left intimidate us with accusations of fAsCiSm or "yOuR A wAyCiSt!"

I think there must be some ant-tortoise legislation now because when I was a kid, tortoises weren't an uncommon sight. Two of our neighbours had them and in the summer, they'd just wander about the nearby gardens. I wonder if there's still a Blue Peter tortoise? Probably not.

[perrykneeham]

I expect the tortoise will be called "Nigger".

[Repat Van]

Jul 27, 2025 8:55:00 GMT wetkingcanute said:

In answer to your question WKC, no, this nothing new, populists have been whipping up anti furriner outrage for a very very long time, fake rumors after the great fire of london saw mobs whipped up against foreigners and many were beaten to death cos it was put about they did it. Whipping up hatred against the outsider is probably as old as humanity. And this latest bout of bigotry is little different. In the modern context those who whip up the mob today to shout at refugees are little different to Mosley rallying his Black Shirts to march down Cable Street shouting at Jews. As ever you have to look at who's organising and whipping this stuff up, and look at why. It's not the WI is it, it's far right proto-facists who wear slogans such as 6MWNE or 88 and so on. If it upsets you to be called racist for doing racist stuff, then stop being racist, and stop being so easily lead by bigots.


This happened the last time I posted something similar - I don't understand it. I use simple words and people just completely misunderstand them.

I'm not talking about populists whipping up "anti furriner outrage" I'm talking about ordinary people who are concerned at being called Fascist and Racist and not having their concerns listened to. Of course there are racists and fascist but I am not talking about them. I loath Fascism and racism with every bone in my body - and have experienced both so know them well. But to repeat - and try to make it clear: The Labour party and people on the Left in general have got to listen to ordinary people, listen and act on their concerns without just bracketing them all as "morons; racist and fascist".
I do not want to see the UK move to the Right like parts of Europe.

1) I think the UK moved to the Right ages ago WKC.

2) Why do you keep talking about “The Labour Party” and “The Left”? The shift to Reform (for example) is overwhelmingly from the Conservative voter base. You could just as easily argue that “The Right” is not listening to ordinary people, the mainstream right at least, but you are curiously choosing not to.

[wetkingcanute]

OK Van, fair point. The Conversative Party should also listen and try to address the concerns of ordinary people about immigration. But, at least, they don't just right them off as racist. fascist morons.

Now, you'll have to forgive me as I'm following the last day of the Test.

[flatandy]

Jul 27, 2025 8:55:00 GMT wetkingcanute said:

The Labour party and people on the Left in general have got to listen to ordinary people, listen and act on their concerns without just bracketing them all as "morons; racist and fascist".

I don't know why you're combining "Labour" with "the Left" here. Labour are in power and are continuing the same anti-immigrant rhetoric and policies as the Tories - or worse - and are continuing the same actions of keeping asylum seekers way too long in crappy hotels so they can be used as symbolic pawns.

There hasn't been anything vaguely even center-ish from Labour on immigration. They are one of three main right wing parties who have the same policies and rhetoric on foreigners living in Britain.

[perrykneeham]

TBF, Labour regard themselves as The Left.

[flatandy]

Yeah, but Israeli don't consider themselves genocidistes. And the people organising this protest don't think they're racist. How people view themselves doesn't really matter when their actions say otherwise. POSIWID, so to speak.

[perrykneeham]

Nah, it's perfectly reasonable to generalise in their objections. It's rather like the risk equation: likelihood x impact. Apply the formula to invited Ukrainian refugees, fleeing an actual hot war, and then apply it to fighting age men, illegally entering the country under false pretences in search of underage and uncovered meat.

[perrykneeham]

I hope we won't be accepting any Israelis on our shores, refugees or otherwise. They can go to Perth, W.A. with the other oafish, arrogant, arseholes

[flatandy]

Ah! You agree with me, then.

They should quickly and fairly process people who claim political asylum, rather than holding them for extended periods in crappy hotels so they can be used as pointers to foment racist anger. Those who have legitimate claims to asylum should be given proper accommodation and support, and those who don't should be removed, and it should happen in days or weeks. But that needs investment in the entire legal structure including representation for the applicants. The best way to stop dodgy asylum claims is to get people processed fairly and the failures sent home.

[perrykneeham]

I agree that they should instantly return them whence they came,or elsewhere. The process is dead easy. Entered illegally? Goodbye.

[Repat Van]

Jul 27, 2025 12:35:31 GMT wetkingcanute said:

OK Van, fair point. The Conversative Party should also listen and try to address the concerns of ordinary people about immigration. But, at least, they don't just right them off as racist. fascist morons.

Now, you'll have to forgive me as I'm following the last day of the Test.

I think it is interesting. Opposition to immigration appears to be the #1 issue for a majority of Britons (I would argue this is has been the case since at least the 50s if not earlier).

All the mainstream parties are loudly opposed to it….while doing not much about it. It’s interesting.

[perrykneeham]

We have no particular interest in hosting other countries' refugees, when they could reasonably have found safety closer to home. Tis pish.

[perrykneeham]

Jul 27, 2025 14:16:34 GMT Repat Van said:

Jul 27, 2025 12:35:31 GMT wetkingcanute said:

OK Van, fair point. The Conversative Party should also listen and try to address the concerns of ordinary people about immigration. But, at least, they don't just right them off as racist. fascist morons.

Now, you'll have to forgive me as I'm following the last day of the Test.

I think it is interesting. Opposition to immigration appears to be the #1 issue for a majority of Britons (I would argue this is has been the case since at least the 50s if not earlier).

All the mainstream parties are loudly opposed to it….while doing not much about it. It’s interesting.

So you're agreeing with the popular discontent with the status quo?

[mids]

The Ukes are chicks, kids and old men. Others, not so much. What they are is either gutless wankers running away and leaving their families behind or an advance party of invaders. Either way, they're not wanted or needed.