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Post by voice on Aug 12, 2009 23:20:43 GMT
errrm well that was rather my pojnt, it gets c&p'd here on a regular basis and yet is posted as if its someway new and orrigonal, when its old and crap
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Post by watchman on Aug 12, 2009 23:27:45 GMT
But there is absolutely nothing in your post about "dumbing down" or "target culture", Watchman. So how did you read that into it? Er, you didn't notice that the maths question became progressively easier from 1970 to 2000? And that the 2005 question was mocking the relatively recent "write an essay imagining yourself to be a Roman soldier" approach to history lessons? Or the bit about the jobsworths who are more concerned with the logger having the correct paperwork to use the tools of his trade than with anything that might be more important? That's not "target culture" as such, my bad, that's more about bureaucratic job creation schemes. You still have a bit of a fetish for the digs at minorities, which I've already said are gratuitous. Would you still find it objectionable if those examples hadn't been used? How do you feel about the comments about the bailouts? Voice> OK, sorry if it's old hat, I'd not seen it before and I did run a search on here before posting it here and it hadn't come up. |
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 12, 2009 23:35:17 GMT
Dig at minorities all you want, Watchman. For example, rightwingers who spew painfully unfunny nonsense on message boards about the welfare state and gypsies and immigrants are a minority, and they do my head in.
The bit about bank bailouts? I think that's HILARIOUS! Almost as good as the bit where the pikey nicks the local's hard working, overtaxed person's income, then the chav goes on the dole coz they get so much money from it!
And very insightful too. Well done you.
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Post by watchman on Aug 12, 2009 23:45:59 GMT
Rightwingers like you who really hate the working class but publicly claim to be on their side are fortunately in a minority too, except perhaps in Islington's Upper Street restaurants. You really ought to move there, omni, you'd be far happier.
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Post by lala on Aug 12, 2009 23:54:30 GMT
I have authentic Maori people living next door. I must be very leftwing.
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 12, 2009 23:56:52 GMT
Ang on. Are you calling me a rightwinger? And an Islingtonite?
Christ. Even regulars of this little forum would probably laugh at that one. Way to lose credibilitiy Watchman!
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Post by lala on Aug 12, 2009 23:59:54 GMT
Omni would die in Islington. His hatred of the proles is exceeded only by his hatred of London. SO many anxieties and prejudices rolled up into one little, titgly wound ball of contradiction.
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Post by watchman on Aug 13, 2009 0:03:57 GMT
I have authentic Maori people living next door. I must be very leftwing. Actually, lala, I have always had a lot of time for you. You're genuine in your beliefs and very smart. I've always felt Omni to be lacking in both those attributes. George Orwell completely nailed his sort in The Road To Wigan Pier. He was writing in the 1930s but a lot of this stuff reminds me very much of Omni and similar sorts of "eternal student" socialists: "As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents. "The first thing that must strike any outside observer is that Socialism, in its developed form is a theory confined entirely to the middle classes. The typical Socialist is not, as tremulous old ladies imagine, a ferocious-looking working man with greasy overalls and a raucous voice. He is either a youthful snob-Bolshevik who in five years' time will quite probably have made a wealthy marriage and been converted to Roman Catholicism; or, still more typically, a prim little man with a white-collar job, usually a secret teetotaller and often with vegetarian leanings, with a history of Nonconformity behind him, and, above all, with a social position which he has no intention of forfeiting.... "To this you have got to add the ugly fact that most middle-class Socialists, while theoretically pining for a class-less society, cling like glue to their miserable fragments of social prestige. I remember my sensations of horror on first attending an I.L.P. branch meeting in London... Are these mingy little beasts, I thought, the champions of the working class? For every person there, male and female, bore the worst stigmata of sniffish middle-class superiority. If a real working man, a miner dirty from the pit, for instance, had suddenly walked into their midst, they would have been embarrassed, angry, and disgusted; some, I should think, would have fled holding their noses. You can see the same tendency in Socialist literature, which, even when it is not openly written de haut en bos, is always completely removed from the working class in idiom and manner of thought. The Coles, Webbs, Stracheys, etc., are not exactly proletarian writers." "Ang on. Are you calling me a rightwinger? And an Islingtonite?
Christ. Even regulars of this little forum would probably laugh at that one. Way to lose credibilitiy Watchman! "
Once again the point whooshes over your head. I know you purport to be "left wing" but only in the sneering, "superior" sense that Orwell so accurately observes above rather than having any genuine empathy with working class people. And yes, I'm only too aware of your repeated diatribes against London society. The delicious irony, which seems to have escaped you, is that the Islington and Notting Hill dinner party set is probably where you would fit in best.  |
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 13, 2009 0:12:46 GMT
I love it when rightwingers start quoting Orwell. It's funny. I reckon lefties should try and hijack some darling of the right to spit back at them - Hitler or Saddam or Thatcher or Cameron or summat.
"A true rightwinger will not be a message board bellend who whinges about gypsies, or rants on about high tax or the size of the State - a true rightwinger will be an honest, hardworking chap who thinks that it might be nice if we all chipped in to provide decent healthcare and the like - after all, I suppose I, Jack, get something out of it because my employees have had a decent education!"
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 13, 2009 0:14:26 GMT
"I know you purport to be "left wing" but only in the sneering, "superior" sense that Orwell so accurately observes above rather than having any genuine empathy with working class people. And yes, I'm only too aware of your repeated diatribes against London society. The delicious irony, which seems to have escaped you, is that the Islington and Notting Hill dinner party set is probably where you would fit in best"
EPIC FAIL! LOLZ!
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Post by lala on Aug 13, 2009 0:15:29 GMT
Actually, lala, I have always had a lot of time for you. You're genuine in your beliefs and very smart.[/i]
Ah, stop trying to suck up to me. It won't work. Actually, it will. I'm needy sleeper for any sort of flattery. Take me, I'm yours.
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Post by watchman on Aug 13, 2009 0:17:48 GMT
I'm getting too close to the truth about you for comfort. ;D |
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 13, 2009 0:20:52 GMT
Lala are you genuinely working class, by the way? If so, I don't really have any empathy with your plight (namely, being rimmed by Watchman).
If not - fancy an olive ciabbata with a simply divine Sauvignon sometime whilst we discuss how much we hate chavs?
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Post by watchman on Aug 13, 2009 0:22:18 GMT
Actually, lala, I have always had a lot of time for you. You're genuine in your beliefs and very smart. [/i] Ah, stop trying to suck up to me. It won't work. Actually, it will. I'm needy sleeper for any sort of flattery. Take me, I'm yours.[/quote] Seriously though, lala, you can be bloody annoying at times  but I do respect the fact that you research your stuff meticulously, e.g. on global warming. |
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 13, 2009 0:24:48 GMT
"I'm getting too close to the truth about you for comfort"
No mate. You're not. You're being a thick, and entirely predictable, rightwing tw*t.
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Post by watchman on Aug 13, 2009 0:26:49 GMT
"I'm getting too close to the truth about you for comfort" No mate. You're not. You're being a thick, and entirely predictable, rightwing thingy. Oh, how you wish that were so. I'm laughing at how rattled you are tonight, you're well outside of your comfort zone, "youthful snob-Bolshevik". ;D What happened to that stargazing with a spliff that you promised yourself? |
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Post by omnipleasant on Aug 13, 2009 0:31:28 GMT
"I'm laughing at how rattled you are "
Easily amused, eh? Bet you're still laughing yourself silly at that opening post of yours.
The gypsies!! HahahahahHAHA! Oh and and the bit about immigrants and tax! Oh gosh life is grand, I've gotta post this on my other other forums LOL.
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Post by watchman on Aug 13, 2009 0:34:28 GMT
I'm actually laughing more about rattling you so much that you're abandoning your night-time smoke under the stars in the garden to tell me how unrattled you are. ;D
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Post by kubik8 on Aug 13, 2009 2:19:02 GMT
I read it as more of an attack on the steady dumbing down of maths teaching (under Labour and Tories alike) since 1970... Just out of interest Watchman, what direct experience do you have of this? I ask because my daughter starts school in September, and having had a tour of the place, the standard of tuition I found to be very impressive. Also have a nephew and niece at Primary school and again, very impressed. Their comprehension of mathematics is certainly much higher than would have been expected back in the 70's, when I was their age. The opening post is sh*t btw. Satire is humour. Its purpose may also be to make you think, but it needs the timing of comedy; short stabs that puncture puffed-up policy. |
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Post by mids on Aug 13, 2009 8:03:33 GMT
The OP is obviously American but the gist of it still applies here. Education in this country has been dumbing down since the 60s.
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