Landlord Bans Swearing!

[dwad]

I love the way all the science lovers desperately scrabble for one or two bits of supportive evidence to fit their dirty little habit.

Yes omni, they are truish. The BMJ one for example is "did not support a causal relation" although nor did they "rule out a small effect".

However, what's also worth noting is that is is contradicted by every subsequent study in the same journal, such us the one in 2004, which relates directly to it which concluded:
Studies based on reports of smoking in a partner alone seem to underestimate the risks of exposure to passive smoking.

Or this one in 2005 which concludes:
Exposure at work might contribute up to one fifth of all deaths from passive smoking in the general population aged 20-64 years, and up to half of such deaths among employees of the hospitality industry. Adoption of smoke free policies in all workplaces and reductions in the general prevalence of active smoking would lead to substantial reductions in these avoidable deaths.

The pro-smoking lobby are on a hiding to nothing if they try and justify it on health and research grounds. They are grasping at a couple of rogue bits of research against the weight of a multitutde of others and indeed common sense (why on earth would smoke harm a smoker but not a passive smoker - the effect is less sure but it's the same stuff).

[omnipleasant]

"why on earth would smoke harm a smoker but not a passive smoker"

A passive smoker would take about 20 years to inhale the same amount of toxins than I do in a week.

I'm prepared to accept that it's a bit like the global warming thing, with a few rogue studies put up against an overwhelming body of evidence by those with an entrenched position (the bits I posted are from FOREST, after all!)

But I don't know enough about it and not taking your word for it you jackbooted anti-smoking zealot.

[dwad]

Jan 30, 2009 13:10:59 GMT @omnipleasant said:

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But I don't know enough about it and not taking your word for it you jackbooted anti-smoking zealot.

Don't. Take the medical journals that you quote from.

[omnipleasant]

I'd rather not trawl through the whole stack of it. Is there a summary of the research paper that I can read?

[radge]

LOAD OF SH*T! shoot the land lord and fcuk his wife as he dies watching.

[Beachcomber]

My wife & I ran a pub in a fairly rough area for 6 years. We instigated a swearing ban after the first week !

I'd just spent 12 years working on the offshore oilrigs and couldn't believe the language I was hearing.

I decided that swearing within hearing of the bar staff was discouraged ........ swearing AT the bar staff was an automatic ban !

We lost a lot of trade for a while - but eventually it picked up again.

[norfolkdumpling]

Libby's idea of having smoking pubs as well as non smoking pubs is a great idea. So many pubs have closed since the smoking ban, maybe smoking pubs would get a lot more trade.

Smokers already pay a great deal of tax which the government are only too happy to put in their coffers. I don't think it is the business of the government to interfere with people's right to smoke. Many smokers actually enjoy it and don't want to stop.

So smokers die younger? At least they won't be needing a State Pension or other Benefits. the government is already saying what a burden the aging population is going to be on the young people.

Are there any countries left without a smoking ban?

[norfolkdumpling]

Swearing can be annoying when used as part of a conversation. I blame it on lack of education. If a person has a decent vocabulary there really is no need for it unless for instance, a brick drops on their foot.

A swear box is a very good idea and more effective than a ban.

[redanchor]

Can anyone tell me why people find the word 'sh*t' offensive, but not the word 'poo'?

[Beachcomber]

It's semantics dear boy..... the ability to use words or phrases appropriate to the situation.

If you don't understand that simple rule - you're a f**k**g arsehole !

[redanchor]

The point is that what is considered taboo in regards to language isnt fixed-


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The offensiveness or perceived intensity or vulgarity of the various profanities can change over time, with certain words becoming more or less offensive as time goes on. For example, in modern times the word piss is usually considered mildly vulgar and somewhat impolite, whereas the King James Bible unblushingly employs it where modern translators would prefer the word urine (2 Kings 18:27; Isa 36:12) or urinate (1 Sam 25:22, 25:34; 1 Kings 14:10, 16:11, 21:21; 2 Kings 9:8). The word cunt has seen a similar evolution; its ancestor—queynte—was not considered vulgar at all, but the word is now considered among the most offensive in the English language.

"Profanity as blasphemy
The original meaning of the term was restricted to blasphemy, sacrilege or saying God's name (or an identifier such as "Lord" or "God") in vain. In other words, "Oh my god" may be viewed in an unaccepted manner. Profanity represented secular indifference to religion or religious figures, while blasphemy was a more offensive attack on religion and religious figures, and considered sinful.

Profanities in the original meaning of blasphemous profanity are part of the ancient tradition of the comic cults, which laughed and scoffed at the deity.[4][5] An example from Gargantua and Pantagruel is "Christ, look ye, its Mere de ... merde ... sh*t, Mother of God."[6]


Severity
The relative severity of various British profanities, as perceived by the public, was studied on behalf of the British Broadcasting Standards Commission, Independent Television Commission, BBC and Advertising Standards Authority; the results of this jointly commissioned research were published in December 2000 in a paper called "Delete Expletives". It listed the profanities in order of decreasing severity, the top ten being cunt, m*th*rf**k*r, f**k, wanker, black person, bastard, prick, bollocks, arsehole, and paki in that order. About 83% of respondents regarded cunt as "very severe"; 16% thought the same about sh*t and 10% about crap. Only about 1% thought cunt was "not swearing"; 9% thought the same about sh*t and 32% of crap."

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profanity#Western_history

Maybe "God" is a better example than sh*t. "Oh my God" or "Jesus Christ!!" isnt such a big deal anymore, almost mundane, as religion continues to decline in importance in western society. How do you decide what is and isnt swearing anymore?

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Jan 30, 2009 17:59:51 GMT norfolkdumpling said:

If a person has a decent vocabulary there really is no need for it unless for instance, a brick drops on their foot.

Every time I see this inaccuracy I will need to correct it. Swearing doesn't indicate a lack of vocabulary in every case. And why is it acceptable to swear when you drop something on your foot (what's wrong with the myriad of other words available like ouch or rats or darn or Jesus Mary Joseph and all the saints and angels in heaven above that really hurt?) but not when you wish to indicate a very strong opinion that a thing is objectable?

[redanchor]

No, No, Vox. It is a fact. FACT! that intelligent people never swear.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well my swearing has brought joy to many. In two languages, I'll have you know.

English is so much better for swearing than Swedish.

[redanchor]

"The use of bloody in adult UK broadcasting aroused controversy in the 1960s & 1970s but is now unremarkable (for comparison, in the Harry Potter movies, which are geared towards children, the character Ron says "bloody hell" many times in all the movies)."
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody

ban it!!! TURN BACK TIME!!! aghhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

[VikingHumpingWitch]

And how much has kiddie crime increased since the 60s and 70s, eh? Think on.

[redanchor]

Bloody kids!

[redanchor]

how the f*&%(*@! hell do you upload a pic in your post?

[Libby]

Lol!

Look in the Information Section, select Welcome To New General, and then select Getting Started. Scroll down and you will see Adding A Picture To Your Post, hope that helps! ;D

[aleefx]

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