Harry's in bother again

[Oldtwit]

It's sad saddo world - I have a friend called Sam - short for Sambo - when I call him Sambo he just calls me Honky.

From Norfolk I'm a "Dumpling" and often referred to as "No f**king good" - as in Norfolk, and good".

I have friends who call me a "tw** when I say summat dumb.

I have a daughter who is known to the family as "Lady Gobshite" - and if you met her you'd know why.

Poor old Harry - he is only allowed to be pompous and boring

[Oldtwit]

Actually "Lady Gobsh*te

[buzzy]

The word in question is supposed to be offensive and yet every man and his dog is using it on such as Sky News every 5 minutes. Prince Harry was referring to a mate by his nickname for heavens sake.

Before we know it, Pom's as a description of Brits by Aussies and Yanks to describe our American friends will become offensive too. ;D

Goodness gracious chaps, anyone care for a game of 'goff' or jolly old hockey!! Don't forget your bowler old boy.

This so called PC correctness is getting stupid

[Psalms]

So then, it seems that the British military has racist soldiers, as do the Americans.

[Muz]

He's no more racist than you Psalms. You're forever going on about Yanks, putting them in a bad light. Shall we start calling you a racist too?

[flatandy]

Oh jesus. We're back to this, are we? That Paki is the same as shortening any other nationality?

Despite the fact that it's been used in the UK as a term of racist abuse for the past 20-30 years, and as a generic abuse to all asians (see football chants such as "I'd rather be a Paki than a manc/scouser/whatever; and so on).

The fact that it's a shortening of a nationality is neither here nor there. The problem is that it's a generic term of racial abuse, and if you use it you're either spectacularly ignorant or stupid, or you're a racist. Or, most likely, both.

None of which is defensible in someone third in line to become head of state.

[flatandy]

Oh, and it's generally fine when other nationalities use it in the same way as they use Brit, etc, because in most other countries Paki isn't a term of racist abuse.

[Foxy]

From: Scooby Do. (Original Message) Sent: 11/01/2009 08:03

What a terrible "Newspaper" this is.

Harry news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7822574.stm



The BBC issue a warning with the video, For goodness sake, what is this country coming to?

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From: MSN Nickname_Lawrence__ Sent: 11/01/2009 08:07

Hey , you are a politically correct - obsessed , socialist ,leftist, nanny , neurotic state run by far-left wing kooks. Get used to it !

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From: KenP Sent: 11/01/2009 09:09

Does this mean that we must not call each other Brit's anymore and what happens if a 'Paki' or 'Raghead' uses this term against us.
Why don't these people get a life.

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Recommend (1 recommendation so far) Message 4 of 40 in Discussion
From: MSN NicknameJonren Sent: 11/01/2009 09:16

What a load of exaggerated nonsense. Taffy, Jock or Paki, no difference. It's everyday banter. In the army, I was referred to as a 'sweatie'. I saw that as intended, gentle mickey taking. Some Indian restuarants adverise themselves as Indo-Pak. Is that derogatory?

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From: MSN Nickname§Norfolk_Dumpling Sent: 11/01/2009 19:47

Seems to me the News of the World is scraping the bottom of the barrel for "news" it is utterly ridiculous to condemn Prince Harry for behaving like a normal soldier. I think it is time legislation about name calling was repealed.
White British people get called enough names, limey, carrot cruncher and hillbillies (country people), honkey, white trash, to name a few. Do we care? I very much doubt it.
Leave Prince Harry alone gutter press. He does a good job in difficult circumstances. Every move is watched and scrutinised, what an awful position to be in.

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From: MSN NicknameRMPNCO Sent: 11/01/2009 20:40

Crisis in the Middle East, world recession, credit crunch and company's going to the wall in droves.

So what makes the headlines? A News Of The World sh*t-sheet expose on a 'racial slur'.

FFS, I lost count of the times I heard porridge wog, sheep shagger and bog trotter used whilst I was in the Army. It's part and parcel of Forces service, especially amongst what are known as 'teeth arms'.

Mischief making in the extreme.

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From: oldmanofthesea2 Sent: 11/01/2009 22:08

When I was in everyone had a nickname of some sort. At the end of my time there were a growing number of gentlemen from the Commonwealth being called up and names often reflected their colour or ethnicity, but never meant in any derogatory fashion. But we did also have a name for the News of the World- it was called the Brothel Weekly.

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From: cathy 1 Sent: 11/01/2009 22:34

It seems we're all in agreement. This is a non story that should never have been published.

These rags .. including the News of the World .. stoop so low to find a news story they'd probably video their own backsides if they thought it would sell their papers.

Well, the answer is in your hands ....... don't buy 'em.

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From: MSN NicknameRicklinc Sent: 11/01/2009 23:28

Caught this story on the radio. There was some outraged fella from the Ramadan Foundation working himself up into a good head of righteous indignation as a prelude to demanding something in the way of appeasement. Gimme, gimme, fcuking gimme.

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From: cathy 1 Sent: 11/01/2009 23:35

Yep, they come pouring out of the wood work in a stream of indignation.

What I found far more worrying was the fag that Harry had hanging out of mouth as he talked to his pals. Hope he doesn't end up like his Auntie Margaret!

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From: MSN NicknameKrispyKoala373 Sent: 12/01/2009 01:41

I really shouldn't read these boards while eating breakfast, I laugh and spill too much.

What I found far more worrying was the fag that Harry had hanging out of mouth

Cathy, By the sounds of that, he's taking after his uncle Edward.

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From: MSN Nickname_Lawrence__ Sent: 12/01/2009 01:53

Seems only the R*gheads , P*kis and their pissant sympathizers had a problem with it.

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From: Baloo Sent: 12/01/2009 09:09

Dunno about this. I don't think "P*ki" is ever likely to be seen as an affectionate slur and what is most worrying is the complete lack of either common sense, discretion or intelligence (or, I suspect, all three) for a high profile royal such as William to even use the term, let alone allow himself to be videoed doing it.

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From: MSN NicknameJustmyopinion_still Sent: 12/01/2009 09:13

At least as worrying as far as I am concerned is the apparent inability to learn from mistakes. His Grandfather's grandson.

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From: Baloo Sent: 12/01/2009 09:14

On which side? Spencer or Hewitt?

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From: Mids Sent: 12/01/2009 09:20

Storm in a teaccup, nothing to see here, move along now. I see the Pakistani bloke's dad is now saying that an apology is not good enough. Hmmmm. I wonder what will be good enough.

[sweet soul]

The PC lot are to blame. Anyone in the public eye will have to watch out what they say. For fear of offending where none is intended. Have u noticed its only muslims who complain. How many honkys do wen called a honky? You also have to take note this time that Ahmed didnt complain himself. Maybe hes a real man. Unlike the twerp who reported Harry to make trouble.

[Foxy]

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From: limeylily1 Sent: 12/01/2009 09:27

I wonder what will be good enough.

Don't you mean, 'how much'?

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Message 18 of 40 in Discussion

From: Mids Sent: 12/01/2009 09:28

Oh no, it won't be about the money. That will never compensate for the hurt and offence. No, never. But since we're on the subject of money...

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From: Jonren Sent: 12/01/2009 09:34

The video is three years old. Looks like one of Harry's 'friends' sold it to News of the Screws. In future he should pick his friends more carefully. He is learning the hard way that in his life, he is continually in the spotlight and under scrutiny by a host of undesirable people.

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From: Justmyopinion_still Sent: 12/01/2009 09:35

Apparently, the Pakistani bloke himself, now a Colonel in the Pakistani army, never mentioned it at the time so......why is there any question of his dad getting all offended?

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From: Joliet_ Sent: 12/01/2009 09:38

'Cos parents tend to be horrified when they find out what their kids are really up to. This particularly delicate flower seems to think that life in the army is like the antics at Walmington-on-Sea.

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From: limeylily1 Sent: 12/01/2009 09:43

why is there any question of his dad getting all offended?

££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ ?

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From: Justmyopinion_still Sent: 12/01/2009 10:05

Indeed, Limeylily, indeed

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From: sweet_soul Sent: 12/01/2009 10:07

Its plain stupid, it was a private video and he was talking in a friendly way about a Paki friend, Paki meaning a man from Pakistan. Now all Paki's are getting in a huff over a word!! Its crazy!

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From: Baloo Sent: 12/01/2009 10:10

I really don't think that Paki is quite equivalent to Taff, Jock, Paddy etc. Quite apart from that Prince Harry should have had the simple intelligence to never use those sort of expressions. Other people do.

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From: sweet_soul Sent: 12/01/2009 10:11

'Sorry's not good enough': Harry insult was disgraceful says father of Asian cadet called Paki by prince

The father of a Sandhurst recruit called a 'Paki' by Prince Harry has condemned it as a 'disgraceful insult'.

Muhammad Yaqoob Khan Abbasi has he is 'hurt and angry' at the comments.

He accused the prince of using a 'hate' word, and dismissed his claims that it was not intended in a derogatory manner.

Harry, 24, will be given a severe dressing down by Army chiefs after being captured on video using the phrase 'our little Paki friend' to describe fellow cadet Ahmed Raza Khan.

The film was made in March 2006 during Harry's final year of officer training at the Royal Military Academy in Camberley, Surrey.

It features the prince's 30-strong platoon - of which Captain Khan was a member - on their final exercise together in Cyprus.

The first segment was shot by Harry as the group slept on the floor in a military airport.

As he pans around his men, he homes in on the face of the Asian cadet and whispers: 'Anybody else here? Ah, our little Paki friend ... Ahmed.'

The action then moves to Cyprus where Harry is again filming his colleagues in the dark.


One soldier has covered his head with what appears to be camouflage material, prompting the prince to say: 'It's Dan the Man. F*** me, you look like a raghead!'

The final section of video tape shows Harry in the field, briefing his men about a forthcoming 'attack'.


He sits pretending to finish a call to his grandmother, the Queen, saying: 'I've got to go, got to go. Send my love to the corgis and Grandpa. Bye. God Save You. Yeah that's great. Bye.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1112342/Sorrys-good-Harry-insult-disgraceful-says-father-Asian-cadet-called-Paki-prince.html

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From: Súshi1 Sent: 12/01/2009 10:13

So, is that Pakistani soldier now going to remove the insignia from his Pakistani uniform then? It does have 4 letters on it, and it spells out P A K I.......

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From: sweet_soul Sent: 12/01/2009 10:15

Brown: Harry's 'Paki' comment unacceptable

Gordon Brown condemns Prince Harry describing an army officer as a "Paki" in a video as "unacceptable".

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/4221160/Prince-Harrys-Paki-comment-unacceptable-says-Gordon-Brown.html

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From: Mids Sent: 12/01/2009 10:17

What a fcuking country we've become. One ill-chosen word and the entire country is in a state of hysteria.

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From: WetKingCanute Sent: 12/01/2009 10:17

"Captain Khan, how do you know the Prince was referring to you?"

"Because I was the only Paki in the group Sir".

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From: Jonren Sent: 12/01/2009 10:19

I'm sick and tired of all this nonsense. How about just removing all pakis from Britain and remove the temptation to call them anything.

[radge]

He and his family are the last remnants of the empire, we keep them we accept that some parts of the empire die hard. give him a break, i only stopped referring them to "paki shops" about 8 year ago

[Foxy]

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From: Jonren Sent: 12/01/2009 10:22

RMPNCO, Phil, may I call you Taffy. You can call me Sweaty. Any Tykes or Paddys about?

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From: Ricklinc Sent: 12/01/2009 10:31

All this fuss is where Britain is going wrong. In Italy muslims apologise to wops. That never happens in the UK. After the tube bombings there were daft libs apologising to islam for forcing muslims to blow themselves up. Stupid country.

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Message 34 of 40 in Discussion
From: Vania Sent: 12/01/2009 11:10

First off can we stop the ridiculous comparisons between 'Yank/Scot/Brit' and 'Paki'.

The first three have never had the negative usage that 'Paki' does and in fairness those who use never take the time to ensure that the person to whom they are referring is either Pakistani or of Pakistani descent. It is generally aimed at people of South Asian descent whether they are Indian, Sri Lankan, Bangladeshi, Pakistani etc...

I also think it's a bit low to say the father is only offended because of £. I know that there are things that would offend my parents that may not necessarily bother me.

That said Harry made an error by apologising. Now it looks as though he full well knows he made a mistake when he referred to the guy in that manner. He should have stuck to the story that the guy was a close friend and they use terms amongst each other that they probably wouldn't use to a stranger.

I am bemused about the fuss this story seems to be causing. 'Main in army uses racist term to refer to someone'. In tomorrow's news, 'Bloke in army cheats on spouse with some bird he met in a bar...'

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From: Jonren Sent: 12/01/2009 11:25

"First off can we stop the ridiculous comparisons between 'Yank/Scot/Brit' and 'Paki'." - - - - Vania


I don't think anyone made that comparison Van. Paki was equated with Taff, Jock and Paddy etc. Some hold these terms as derogatory. Personally, I don't. As I've said before, I was called "sweaty" in the army. The manner it was said in, was the important part.

For any who don't know, 'sweaty' derives from 'sweaty sock' = jock.

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From: Vania Sent: 12/01/2009 11:32

I don't think anyone made that comparison Van.

Erm:

Does this mean that we must not call each other Brit's anymore and what happens if a 'Paki' or 'Raghead' uses this term against us.

Even with the others, have there ever been groups of skinheads going around 'Jock bashing'? And, as I've said, do you honestly and I mean honestly make sure the recipient of the term is actually of Pakistani descent? I've heard reference to the local 'paki shop' when the owner was quite blatently a Sikh and thus, unlikely to be Pakistani.

And I don't get your example about being called a sweaty? Big deal. That's you. You cannot say that because you are happy with being called something others must accept whatever name you wish to bestow on them. To move off topic slightly I hate nicknames or my name being shortened, just because other people have no issue with it doesn't mean I have to accept it.

But that's a whole other issue, I do agree the NoTW is trying to create a storm in a teacup. The term does not form a part of my vocabulary and I would never use it, but I'm not part of Harry's social circle and I have no idea what goes on there. Plus it's laughable to be shocked at anybody in the military, royal or otherwise, using such language.

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From: Jonren Sent: 12/01/2009 11:41

In today;s PC climate, I suppose we must all rethink. My age group are probably more guilty of not heeding today's standards. When I say I enjoy a chinky meal, I intend no offence whatsoever but as I say, I have to re-think. I suppose it is as easy to say 'chinese meal '. I

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Message 38 of 40 in Discussion
From: Vania Sent: 12/01/2009 11:46

It's defnitely an age thing. I know my grandparents say things that at times make me cringe. And to be honest with age things (like the use of 'chinky', 'coloureds') I never really notice.

It's also an individual thing too. I don't like offensive terms and prefer to call people by their names. My brothers aren't quite as PC as me however. One of the white guys in their group is called 'White Boy' and they never use his name, I however categorically refuse to call him that. Which made made it hard at first as I had to find more and more innovative terms of reference when I didn't know what his name was.

As you said the intention is of course important. That's why I said Harry shouldn't have apologised if it was just an affectionate term between mates. If it was it really is nobody else's business.

I do disagree with the term 'PC c;imate however'. To me it's just common sense, courtesy and mutual respect. If someone tells you they don't like being called a certain thing, to continue to do so, is just plain rude.

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From: VikingHumpingWitch Sent: 12/01/2009 11:51

"To me it's just common sense, courtesy and mutual respect. If someone tells you they don't like being called a certain thing, to continue to do so, is just plain rude."

The spot-on-ness here is almost painful. Curiously, you often find it's the same people who moan about PC gone mad who are also moaning about the lack of manners, common sense and respect in the younger generation.

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Message 40 of 40 in Discussion
From: Jonren Sent: 12/01/2009 12:19
As an old honky, may I say, I will try. I was brought up in the days when all parents taught their children "Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me."

I may add, the world is in recession, hundreds of people are dying in Gaza, thousands of people are losing jobs and houses and a bloody rag thinks the most important news is a young soldier calling a mate paki, three years ago. What a strange world.

[radge]

hello, am i working yet?

[wetkingcanute]

Hi Guys, Just to say I joined ...this is just to test.

[Psalms]

You might want to up your dose, Muz.

[norfolkdumpling25]

What this boils down to is that some people do not understand British humour. We tend to say things to our friends that might be offensive if said to a stranger. Harry's remark was taken completely out of context and raked up by the News of the World to try and sell the awful rag.
Locally, we have a shop run by Pakistanis, very good it is too. What is it known as? why of course, the Paki shop, everyone knows what it is and so far as I know nobody is offended. For heavens sake, even the Pakistani kids call each other Pakis.
This name calling nonsense should be removed from the Race Relations Act, it does far more harm than good. Political Correctness stirs up a huge amount of trouble quite unnecessarily.
I received an e-mail from Australia today which I will post on a new thread. It just about sums up how tolerant we are compared to Muslim countries.

[sweet soul]

You passed the test and the other guy is workin :-D

[jonren]

I typed 'paki ' in MSN Premium dictionary and got :-



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Now we all know.

[radge]

its only the papers who are anti royal who are blowing it up. I mean The Duke of Edinburgh is still stuck in the 1800's even though he never lived there. but he was brought up by people who experienced the hey day of the empire. old habits die hard, generations pass on things. i dont know, and who gives a monkey...ok please give a monkey cause monkeys are funny.

[radge]

I am workin sweetsoul. the other guy!!?? hmph has it really been that long!? ok yes...yes it has