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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 9:25:04 GMT
My point is anyway that a word or a doll or whatever isnt bloody racist ...its how you use it .Just because SOME people use a word and make it sound racist ... That's just not true. There is racist language which is defined by the culture and society it comes from. So, because of the culture it comes from, "Nigger" is much, much more loaded and offensive in the US than it is in the UK. And "Paki" is much more offensive in the UK because of the way it's been used here. Gollywogs are offensive, again, because of the abuse of language by racists in Britain over the last 40 or 50 years. The language itself is racist. It may be used in ignorance, rather than in a maliciously racist way. But then the appropriate response to being told that your language is racially offensive - if you're ignorant - is to apologise and not use it again, rather than to get hyper-defensive and say "No, I've been calling niggers niggers for 50 years and I'm no racist, so why should I change now". |
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Post by ricklinc on Feb 6, 2009 9:27:04 GMT
Who gets to decide whether or not it's racist? The law seems to decree that anyone can make the decision that something is racist but nobody can declare that it isn't. A passerby can overhear one of my mates call me a wop and report him to some special police taskforce or other and they'd have to respond. Even if I told them to ignore the pale island dude. That is the law and it is so fcuking stupid. But it's the law that the idiot liberals with damp panties actually wanted. What more proof do you need that liberals need to be hunted down and have some sense smacked into them no matter how long it takes?
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 10:44:20 GMT
Thank you Rick .A bit of sense after reading that I shouldnt use a particular word because someone else used it once and meant it nastily
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 10:50:49 GMT
Not because someone once used it maliciously. Because it was commonly and frequently used maliciously.
Which, incidentally, you might have noticed is not true of "Christmas", "Winterval" or whatever. They aren't terms of abuse.
Good grief.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 10:54:38 GMT
Come off it Andy. Pakistanis call themselves Pakis. www.paki.com/The precious society is causing divisions not healing them. |
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 11:00:28 GMT
Oh give it a while Andy and Im sure they soon will be
I repeat ...it isnt the language ,a particular word ,that is racist .That's absolute nonsense .If it were the case that it was the words themselves then a black calling another black a n*gger would be being racist .But he's not is he ? It's how a word is used that defines whether its racist or not .However ...society,supported by the likes of you, have decided that it doesnt matter how I use the word it will be racist if I do .Well excuse me but thats a load of bollox and I dont know how anybody at all can find it acceptable
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 11:08:51 GMT
If you use a word that you know is considered a racist insult by a lot of people, then yes, it's racist language.
And it's not the precious society that has removed the word from you. It's the racists.
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 11:16:02 GMT
Ah .So what you're saying is that if a black calls a black a n*gger he is in fact using racist language and being racist .
How odd
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Post by feral on Feb 6, 2009 11:17:43 GMT
Oh, and in case you hadnt noticed ,stopping a racist from using a particular word doesnt actually make him or her any less racist
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 11:24:12 GMT
If you use a word that you know is considered a racist insult by a lot of people, then yes, it's racist language. And it's not the precious society that has removed the word from you. It's the racists. No. If you uses any language to imply that someone is less, or has fewer rights, simply because of their race, that is racism. But people who say that only white people can't use some words simply because they are white are being racist. If a 3 year old black girl was cuddling a gollywog doll and called it gollywog, should she be punished? Should the doll be taken from her? I, for one, would punch anyone in the face who tried. |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 11:30:40 GMT
Ah .So what you're saying is that if a black calls a black a n*gger he is in fact using racist language and being racist . How odd Nigger has become defused in black language, and is no longer racist. It remains racist in white conversation. Society and language are not fixed. Gay has stopped being offensive, as has queer. These things happen. And stopping a racist using racist language doesn't make them stop being racist. Stopping a non-racist from using offensive racist language means fewer people are offended. And nobody harmed. Not difficult. |
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Post by mids on Feb 6, 2009 11:33:33 GMT
What if had been a black person that had said the tennis player looked a bit like a gollywog (or whatever was actually said since, interestingly, we haven't been told)? Would that be racist?
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 6, 2009 11:34:17 GMT
Gwad. This is News at it's glorious worst, this.
It's racially offensive. Don't use it. Simple. No skin off anyone's back, surely?
I'm really, really struggling to understand why people are standing up for their right to use it.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 11:39:28 GMT
It's racially offensive. Don't use it. Simple. No skin off anyone's back, surely? . You're missing the point. Who says it's racially offensive? Why is it racially offensive? Why is it only racially offensive for one race to say it but not any other? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 11:40:12 GMT
Anyone remember this song from their childhood?
I had a black dolly called Topsy, who didn't like sleeping alone,
Cause Topsy's afraid of her shadow thought in darkness I know there are none,
But Topsy is only a dolly and doesn't know better you see
So I just put her under my pillow, I know she likes sleeping with me.
When I wake up in the morning, I lie till I think she's awake,
And then we go down to the garden and I give her a bath in the lake,
But Topsy is blacker than ever, as shiny and shiny can be,
Though I scrub her and scrub her and scrub her, I can't get her white like me.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 12:29:10 GMT
It's racially offensive. Don't use it. Simple. No skin off anyone's back, surely? . You're missing the point. Who says it's racially offensive? Why is it racially offensive? Why is it only racially offensive for one race to say it but not any other? It's racially offensive because it was regularly used as a racist insult. How f**k**g difficult is that? |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 12:30:44 GMT
But, clearly, people must still be allowed to use the racist terms from the childhood.
Because they can't grow up. Or because they still want to be racist and offensive.
I can't work out why.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 12:37:54 GMT
It's racially offensive because it was regularly used as a racist insult. How f**k**g difficult is that? Not by me. Plenty of black people use these terms. Why should I not be able to simply because of my race? |
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 12:38:57 GMT
Why the f**k should you want to?
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Post by ricklinc on Feb 6, 2009 12:41:34 GMT
Why the f**k should it be the government's job to stop someone using it if they want to?
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