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Post by Marshall on Feb 6, 2009 20:03:27 GMT
Like I said, God created evil.
And it must have been for a better reason than for tossing people into "hell" (another fabrication).
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 20:52:12 GMT
Like I said, God created evil. And it must have been for a better reason than for tossing people into "hell" (another fabrication). Hell is a fabrication. But evil as you put it is a bit more complicated. We are created with free will. That is, God doesn't control us or anyone else. It is up to each of us to live according to the 10 laws and within our own conscience. Evil isn't an entity as such. It is what some people do that is evil. All things were created by God. He created free will. He created behaviour. How we choose to manage ourselves is up to us. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 6, 2009 20:59:49 GMT
I think there is way more to it than both the simplistic sunday school conception of "God" and the atheist conception of nothing. Atheists do not conceive the gods as 'nothing'. The gods are imaginary beings like Santa Claus, Mr Pickwick and millions of others. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 6, 2009 21:02:14 GMT
Hell is a fabrication. That's Tarrantism, not Christianity. What inspired you to create this new religion? A voice in your head? |
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Post by ruby on Feb 6, 2009 21:21:40 GMT
Yeh, that's true how can tony blair and george bush reconcile their christianity with killing, i am sure it says in the new testament you can't do it! funny that!
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Post by ruby on Feb 6, 2009 21:27:41 GMT
and so what tarrant! what should we do now?
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Post by ruby on Feb 6, 2009 21:28:53 GMT
oops sorry! this is my first time i think you are beiing facetious?
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 21:30:25 GMT
It does. It's a specific direction from Jesus and His clarification of the 6th commandment.
Many people seek to manipulate many things to their own ends. In another thread there is a report of gangs in Iran raping young women then passing them onto an older woman who persuades them to become suicide bombers.
Rape is utterly illegal in Islamic law. Suicide is also utterly illegal. But these people are cynically using obscure texts, taken out of context, for their own secular ends.
Blair and Bush seem to have doen exactly the same.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 6, 2009 21:32:06 GMT
and so what tarrant! what should we do now? oops sorry! this is my first time i think you are beiing facetious? Why would you ask me? I would think these are matters for yourself. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 21:35:07 GMT
i am sure it says in the new testament you can't do it! funny that!
i think they get around that by stating it means 'thou shalt not murder.'
So there is a justification in their mind that sometimes they can kill and it's ok.
Of course we are not supposed to judge either.
We kill animals for food and germs and bacteria, so it does require some qualification.
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Post by ruby on Feb 6, 2009 21:35:37 GMT
that is shocking! AND THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR EVER! WHERE IS GOD?
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Post by ruby on Feb 6, 2009 21:41:24 GMT
so give us an answer! and not just the usual bullshit! tell me why good people die? even those who have prayed all thier lives and their chhildren pray all thier lives!!when they gonna have a GOOD LIFE! WHEN!
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Post by ruby on Feb 6, 2009 21:48:49 GMT
SO WE JUST FORRGET THE OLD TESTAMENT AS A KIND OF WELL sh*t I DIDNT MEAN THAT BTW, JUST FORGET IT! IT'S ONLY ME GOD!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2009 21:53:57 GMT
i think we've got crossed wires here.
I haven't said forget the old testament
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 21:59:50 GMT
God is a very, very bad man who doesn't exist.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 6, 2009 22:03:52 GMT
As for hell, which clearly doesn't exist as god doesn't either, it's not even mentioned in the bible and is thoroughly unchristian and is a creation of those sects that are basically dualists like the zoroastrians and bogomils and cathars, rather than proper monotheists.
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Post by lala on Feb 6, 2009 22:40:08 GMT
Tony Blair has just told America - so the rest of us had better lsiten - that we need this God fella: Tony Blair gave an extraordinary speech about the global importance of religion yesterday, telling an audience which included the newly-inaugurated President, Barack Obama, that faith should be restored "to its rightful place, as the guide to our world and its future."
The former prime minister also said he believed the 21st century would be "poorer in spirit" and "meaner in ambition" if it was not "under the guardianship of faith in God." He had been invited by President Obama to lead the prestigious US National Prayer Breakfast, a spectacular event in the ballroom of the Washington Hilton Hotel.
Mr Blair also managed to rain on Gordon Brown's parade, meeting the President before any European leader. He dashed ahead of the Prime Minister and other political heavyweights, including Angela Merkel, Nicolas Sarkozy and Vladimir Putin, to lay on the hands and tell the President: "It is fitting at this extraordinary moment in your country's history that we hear that call to action; and we pray that in acting we do God's work and follow God's will."
(www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/at-last-blair-is-free-to-do-god-ndash-and-america-loves-it-1547656.html) Wrongo, Tony. Religion, with out the underlying values of humanism and compassion, is just a tool for dividing people and an excuse for suspicion and prejudice. Pretty much the whole history of the world is evidence of this. And if you have humanity and compassion, you don't need religion to reinforce it. We need a global enlightenment and less of the God bothering and the impetus it gives to kill the people in the next valley. Also, Blair's sudden volubility on this topic raises some interesting questions. He didn't make it a big issue while he was Prime Minister, and certainly didn't demonstrate the values of compassion, honesty, integrity or humanity. Did he find his faith on the steps of Nukber 10 as he left for the last time? Or did he just forget about it for a while, while it was more convenient for him to play the hard nosed realist? If so, he might be getting himself into a lot of trouble with his God, who isn't known for tolerating hypocrites and those who deny their faith. He'd better hope he is wrong about this religion thing, and that there is no god. Fortunately for him, he has a tendency to be wrong about important things. |
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Post by Libby on Feb 6, 2009 22:48:16 GMT
I agree with that tarrant. It is up to us as human beings to renounce evil, i think that's the correct expression used in the Bible. I am Church of England but was educated in a Roman Catholic school, so grew up religiously confused lol! I remember learning chunks out of the Bible, going to Mass etc.
A large part of the Bible is about evil, bad people and bad happenings.
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 6, 2009 23:03:30 GMT
He'd better hope he is wrong about this religion thing, and that there is no god. What he is hoping is that God is a Roman Catholic and forgives Tony everything. |
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 6, 2009 23:06:06 GMT
It is up to us as human beings to renounce evil That makes Yahweh redundant. If we hadn't invented him, there would be no need for him at all. |
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