Steve Coogan slams 'pathetic' David Cameron

[wetkingcanute]

I recon Brown's a busted Flush. There's not much more he can do to make it any worse in the next two years.

...I hope.

[Woolf]

If the Tory's have any sense, they will be trying to loose the next election.
Mind you so will ZanuLabor.

Labour knows whats financial disasters are coming and the tory's have a good idea.
From recent reports about both side, both are trying to be so bad, they loose.

Fist McStalin with his belief that only he can heal the worlds problems, actually wants to be charge.
That alone should be proof that he is unfit to be in charge.

[omnipleasant]

Ho ho. Funny as fcuk hearing the Rightwingers trying to pretend that Cameron has some brilliant ideas up his sleeve.

If that was true, he'd tell the electorate and really seal the deal for the next election.

Why doesn't he? Because he has no good ideas. He is a slimey salesman who defaults to outdated Thatcherite student politics every time he's asked about real policy. And opinion polls show as much - lightweight, clueless, no better than Brown in any respect. Osborne comes out even worse, not surprisingly.

The headline figures just show Labour's unpopularity, not Cameron's briliance. And if I was a Tory, I'd be seriously trying to think about how that could be addressed rather than crowing about the inevitablity of winning power.

[flatandy]

I do find it really funny.

The right-wingers are correct that Cameron is playing a good game.

He's doing exactly what Gordon Brown did over Iraq.

Something quite stupid and unpleasant is happening, and you backed all the policies that led to it happening.

And now you are in hiding, saying nothing. Because that is the best way of not getting tainted by association.

It's absolutely good politics for Cameron to be hiding in his secret bunker.

But it's risible to suggest he has any alternative.

And what that means is that support for Cameron is very, very weak. It may be at 40% now, but as we've seen already - as with the weak support for Brown 3 months ago - that can melt away with almost nothing. People aren't committed to the Tory agenda because there is no Tory agenda. Nobody has any faith that some small state nationalist protectionist deregulating solution is going to save Britain. The Tory support at the moment is all based on dislike of Labour, and nothing more.

[omnipleasant]

I completely agree with all of that Andy. It's a testament to Cameron's utter lack of positive appeal with the electorate that the next election isn't, yet, a foregone conclusion.

I noticed the Lib Dems went up 6% in the last poll, by the way. Dunno what that's all about. I mean, under Cleggs their uselessness is approaching Tory and Labour levels.

[policecar]

The real problem now is, if they actually win.

That will be the greatest disaster for this country and for so many others.

I'm glad I wore my suit of armour today or my sides would simply split open.
Incredible that after the mess we find ourselves in some people are still contemplating voting for the Scots Mong idiot

[omnipleasant]

Not incredible at all PC.

People know that
1) it's largely not the govt's fault
2) they've come up with some positive moves to get us through it
3) we'd be in the same mess under the Tories, only they'd do much less to get us out of it and it would be much, much worse

[omnipleasant]

And Tory vision for the future is

-take the very worst of Nu Labour and the worst causes of the Recession - deregulation, small-statism, privatisation etc.
- do loads more of it, and apply it to every part of society.

Really quite frightening.

[flatandy]

That's a bit disingenuous, Omni.

The public think the government are disastrous.

Therefore they want to vote the government out. The only other option is the Tories.

The trouble is that when the Tories ever show their faces, everyone knows it just means similar policies to Labour, but a bit more extreme. And their support collapses. Your second point - about the Tories - holds. The first, about Labour, most certainly doesn't.

[omnipleasant]

I was referring to what PC was on about Andy - it's not incredible at all that many people still support Labour.

[mids]

Feb 10, 2009 13:08:15 GMT policecar said:

Incredible that after the mess we find ourselves in some people are still contemplating voting for the Scots Mong idiot

Spot on. It's completely beyond me to work out why they'd get one single vote that wasn't a mistake or due to their continual cheating at elections.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

I think the worst of NuLabour is the tide of civil rights infringements and the Tories aren't planning to keep those. I think.

[omnipleasant]

"I think the worst of NuLabour is the tide of civil rights infringements and the Tories aren't planning to keep those"

The Tories would be no different on any of the issues I'm assuming you are referring to (apart from ID cards, where there is a small difference)

And it's pretty incredible to me as a lefty that anyone thinks that things that don't affect anyone like these grossly exaggerated "civil liberties infringements" are more important than things that do affect people like, you know, education and work and health and stuff.

[flatandy]

Feb 10, 2009 13:22:00 GMT @omnipleasant said:

I was referring to what PC was on about Andy - it's not incredible at all that many people still support Labour.

It's completely incredible that anyone supports this inept useless shower of a government.

The only thing that's not incredible is that people would consider voting for them to keep out the other, apparently more useless, shower.

It is utterly astonishing that we have an opposition so incompetent and wedded to that which got us into this mess, that, in fact, the government retains any conceivable hope of remaining in office.

Astonishing. Gobsmacking.

[yord]

And it's pretty incredible to me that you dumb feckers cant understand that no government is going to make a difference to your lives outside of your own endevours

[VikingHumpingWitch]

The difference we have is that I do think they affect people significantly. UK citizens can be (and have been) handed over to the US without a shred of evidence required (a concession that the US did not have to offer us in return). The police have arbitrary power to fine you on the spot without the bother of having to prove you did anything and without the old-fashioned hassle of judges and juries. Anti-terrorism laws are being used to track and detain people who have no connection to terrorism and are not suspected of having any connection to terrorism. People can be detained without trial.

I think it's more important than health and education and work and stuff. The Tories are not going to dismantle the welfare state and or deliberately lose people jobs. Things might get a bit worse for a while but there remains the possibility of improving them. Once a basic right is given away it's not coming back.

[omnipleasant]

"It's completely incredible that anyone supports this inept useless shower of a government."

Depends what you want from a government. If you want to agree with everything they do, then yeah, it is incredible.

If you want a government that is merely miles and miles better than any realistic alternative, it's incredible that anyone doesn't support Labour.

"UK citizens can be (and have been) handed over to the US without a shred of evidence required (a concession that the US did not have to offer us in return). The police have arbitrary power to fine you on the spot without the bother of having to prove you did anything and without the old-fashioned hassle of judges and juries. Anti-terrorism laws are being used to track and detain people who have no connection to terrorism and are not suspected of having any connection to terrorism. People can be detained without trial."


There is very little, if any, difference between Labour and Tory on any of these minor things. On the important stuff, like people's lives, there are massive differences. As I said, as a lefty, lives are more important to me than abstract principles.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Bloody hell, have you any idea what being whisked off to a maximum security federal prison in the US would do to someone's life? I think it would arse mine up somewhat more than losing my job or having to wait another 3 months for a hip replacement.

[omnipleasant]

I mean, do I really care that some pissed scumbag can get an on-the-spot fine for swearing at grannies outside the Spar without a full trial? No I do not. Sorry.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well fair enough. But this is the reason I am not voting NuLabour again.