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Post by flatandy on Feb 9, 2009 16:48:01 GMT
Scolari and Adams both sacked today.
Neither produced great results, but really, it's a bit early to be getting rid.
Would love to see Villa finish 3rd and Everton is 4th or 5th.
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Post by RMPNCO on Feb 9, 2009 19:18:17 GMT
As long as the blue scum keep their hands off Gianfranco I don't really give a flying %$&*.
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Post by radge on Feb 9, 2009 22:57:47 GMT
I think this was a silly move. How many more times will clubs watch longevity coming out on top with the silverware? Adams I guess is inexperienced maybe for Premiership Football. But give him time, and you cant really blame him for taking the Portsmouth job. Scolari though is a foolish move and i think this will only hurt Chelsea's title ambitions, or infact any silverware ambitions. Jose will not be back, as most Chelsea fans want, because he is bigger than chelsea and he knows it. And Zoola is looking good but he's on dodgy ground. Also inexperienced and it'll show next season. So If Chelsea came a sniffing for Zola i would really be laughing cause Zola wont be able to do much for a while. he's still learning but i do hiope he ends up a great manager. the wee man rocks, and thats from a Gooner
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Post by Nebula on Feb 10, 2009 21:51:43 GMT
They've treated Scolari really badly imo. This time only 7 months ago he was the best man for the job. Since then, they've forced him to sell players and not allowed him to buy replacements in the on transfer window in which he could operate.. Still, it's funny. Chelsea prove once again that money can't buy you class. The club is Roman's toy.
What's the betting on Gianfranco and Clarke being numbers 1 & 2 at the start of next season I wonder?
Meanwhile - EFC continue to hunt down the Gooners... I reckon the run in could be interesting this year.
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Post by voice on Feb 10, 2009 22:01:29 GMT
being the manager of Chelsea must be the footy equivelent of the poisend challace
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Post by flatandy on Feb 11, 2009 9:27:11 GMT
It's weird. I now actively look for Everton and Aston Villa's results in the hope they can continue to hunt down the various Big Club Scum ahead of them, and send them into some hideous financial oblivion.
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Post by minge tightly on Feb 11, 2009 10:55:46 GMT
The loss of Clarke from Chelsea has probably had as big an effect on their recent slump as anything I reckon. Kudos to Big Phil though who, during all the media hyper-speculation about his tenure, simply said it's a job and he'll get another one (As well as comitting career suicide in the self-styled greatest city on Earth by saying he likes London but if he moved back to Brazil, he'd like it there too).
Adams is a dreary thingy and why the hell Portsmouth gave the job to a man who failed abjectly in his only previous managerial incarnation at Wycombe is beyond me. Seduced by the ex-player stardust perhaps - just like Blackburn with Ince (Who at least had success in the lower leagues with Macclesfield and MK Dons) and Sunderland with Keane (Nil previous managerial experience).
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Post by mars33 on Feb 11, 2009 11:02:30 GMT
It's quite astoninshing. Nowadays, it seems so easy to sack managers, even the ones that have shown their competence at other clubs. Spoiled fans and spoiled players start moaning and the spineless boards quickly resort to the easiest way to offer a head on a plate. It's still easier and cheaper so sack a manager than booting a bunch of underperforming and overpaid players. Then comes the character asassination to justify the move (he was too this or that, didnt click with the players/the culture and so on) and it's on to the next manager
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 11, 2009 11:03:56 GMT
It's an inevitable consequence of how the game is though innit. Back in the glory days, whenever they were, you built up a team over time and brought youngsters through the ranks. Now you just buy the best players you can afford, and for that money people expect quick results.
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Post by minge tightly on Feb 11, 2009 11:10:05 GMT
I just want to reiterate that, imo, Tony Adams is very dreary and not a good football manager
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Post by flatandy on Feb 11, 2009 11:19:47 GMT
There is some evidence that "played his heart out for a big club" isn't necessarily a good criterium for becoming a football manager. Intelligence is useful, too. Ince, Adams, Bryan Robson, etc. Although I have to say that I give Roy Keane more time. He actually did a pretty good job at Sunderland, if you ask me.
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 11, 2009 12:29:50 GMT
I enjoyed Danny Baker on 6-0-6 last night.
On Chelsea:
"Big club? No you're not! You're a second division club who won the pools"
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Post by minge tightly on Feb 11, 2009 12:38:18 GMT
Yeah Keane is alright really but I needed to bolster my point. Why clubs still believe 'Played well' is the only criteria needed to be a manager is almost beyond me.
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Post by mars33 on Feb 11, 2009 12:53:38 GMT
Same here with Van Basten coaching the national team and now Ajax with no previous experience at all (apart from coaching the Ajax youth).
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 11, 2009 12:55:16 GMT
Best managers in the Premier League are Alex Ferguson, Arsene Wenger, David Moyes and Martin O Neil. None were particularly outstanding players.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 11, 2009 12:57:59 GMT
Martin O'Neill did win 2 Euro cups. He wasn't a bad footballer.
Don't think Phil Brown was much shakes as a footballer, either.
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 11, 2009 12:58:46 GMT
Yeah I was about to say ONeill was about the best of them.
Bit before my time in fairness.
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Post by dwad on Feb 11, 2009 13:39:57 GMT
Count you football types lucky. The England rugby lot appointed their most recent manager on the basis of his playing and he hadn't even finished his coaching badges and had never even managed an Under 8s team.
And to add insult to injury they made the post available by sacking the manager who just weeks earlier had led one of the worst teams in rugby history to a world cup final. Go figure.
All businesses do this though - make the best salesman a manager rather than the best manager a manager.
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Post by minge tightly on Feb 11, 2009 13:44:41 GMT
"All businesses do this though - make the best salesman a manager rather than the best manager a manager."
And it's one of the reasons why Britain can be so sh*t. Is there anyone who hasn't had to work under a 'manager' who has no management qualification, expeirence or competence? The private sector, public sector and third sector are crammed full of the useless bastards
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Post by flatandy on Feb 11, 2009 13:47:09 GMT
Count you rugby types lucky. Have a look at the cricket team!
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