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Post by jonren on Feb 10, 2009 5:17:47 GMT
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Post by Scooby Do on Feb 10, 2009 6:57:22 GMT
You have to hand it to Nu Labour, They can fcuk anything up with their maddness.
Who else passes legislation that ties their own hands behind their backs?
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 10, 2009 7:40:23 GMT
Hang on, doesn't Jonren whinge about the government trampling on our liberties and ancient freedoms etc etc? I'm not sure how "scrapping the human rights Act" would help with this.
And should we really "change the law" so employment contracts no longer stand? Really?
What else in the Human Rights Act does Jonren disagree with I wonder?
Article 2: Right to Life
Article 3: Prohibition on Torture
Article 4: Prohibition on Slavery and Forced Labour
Article 5: Right to Liberty and Security
Article 6: Right to a Fair Trial
Article 7: No punishment without law
Article 8: Right to Respect for Private and Family Life
Article 9: Freedom of Thought, Conscience and Religion
Article 10: Right to freedom of expression
Article 11: Freedom of Assembly and Association
Article 12: Right to Marry and Found a Family
Article 14: Prohibition on Discrimination
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Post by feral on Feb 10, 2009 7:44:38 GMT
LMAO
What a load of bollox it is anyway .I can't see any court ruling in favour of the bonuses .It's nobody's human right to get paid a bonus -whether it's for losing or making money.Challenging something in court aint the same as winning
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 10, 2009 7:46:50 GMT
It's not about the "right" to get paid a bonus, Feral. (The Sun is misrepresenting things a bit, surprisingly)
It's about the right to have the terms of the legally binding contract you signed adhered to. Which is, to be fair, pretty unarguable.
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Post by feral on Feb 10, 2009 7:48:23 GMT
Or perhaps the tax payers ( and share holders ) should take the bankers to court under the human rights act seeing as the bankers have "taken people’s property and possessions away, just like pinching somebody’s house"
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Post by feral on Feb 10, 2009 7:51:38 GMT
yes, I know its about the employment contract, omni. Id like to read the contracts where it actually states " you will be paid a bonus every year without fail ,irrespective of your performance and irrespective of the financial position the business finds itself in "
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Post by feral on Feb 10, 2009 7:53:24 GMT
..or the bit where it states they have to get a certain sum .
Give em all a bonus :10p each
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Post by tarrant on Feb 10, 2009 7:54:04 GMT
This story is a fabrication by the Sun.
There are probably up to half a dozen different laws which these bankers could use if any attempt were made to take away their pay.
But all credit to the Sun. 4 strikes with one hit. Bankers, the government, Europe and the truth.
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 10, 2009 7:54:24 GMT
Wouldn't surprise me if these cnuts have all manner of clauses in their contracts. Share price related, or if that dives profit related, or if that dives cost related etc etc etc.
Important to "reward the most talented", as we've been told for years. Don't pay them enough or tax them too much and all that "talent" will go elsewhere, we've been told for years.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 10, 2009 9:02:11 GMT
I do like the fact that those who say "Tax for the rich shouldn't be too high, because the most talented will flee the country" don't think the most talented will flee the country if we dock their bonuses.
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Post by takemebacktolondon on Feb 10, 2009 9:33:00 GMT
Jack Straw doesnt want to be in the position again of having to hold a known war criminal . He released Pinochet because Thatcher said he was her good friend .
If ever Israelis or US dignitaries visit Britain Straw will have his excuse to ignore the human rights commision because it is not part of the British human rights act .
Think back before the Iraq invasion and Bush was already seeking exemption for Americans and American troops for breaches of human rights and war crimes .
This is the new British version .
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Post by cobblers on Feb 10, 2009 9:56:21 GMT
takemebacktolondon, you don't seem to have the first clue about what you're talking about.
As for the Sun story I don't see the relevance of the ECHR. There is a bit on private property in the Protocol to the Convention:-
"Article 1 – Protection of property
Every natural or legal person is entitled to the peaceful enjoyment of his possessions. No one shall be deprived of his possessions except in the public interest and subject to the conditions provided for by law and by the general principles of international law.
The preceding provisions shall not, however, in any way impair the right of a State to enforce such laws as it deems necessary to control the use of property in accordance with the general interest or to secure the payment of taxes or other contributions or penalties."
But as Omni says, the main obstacle is the contractual rights of the workers.
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Post by feral on Feb 10, 2009 10:41:58 GMT
I do like the fact that those who say "Tax for the rich shouldn't be too high, because the most talented will flee the country" don't think the most talented will flee the country if we dock their bonuses. well no ...cos I dont think any other country is stupid enough to be paying out bonuses for losses |
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Post by mids on Feb 10, 2009 10:50:42 GMT
Weird to see Omni all in favour of paying massive bonuses out of the public purse to incompetent greedy bankers.
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Post by feral on Feb 10, 2009 11:08:55 GMT
Weird to see Omni all in favour of paying massive bonuses out of the public purse to incompetent greedy bankers. Omni just likes to " prove " how hypocritical we all are and how right he is |
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Post by minge tightly on Feb 10, 2009 11:14:55 GMT
omni is a weirdo sell-out who will squirm whichever way the wind blows
Fcuk the contracts. Like John Prescott has said (And i'm struggling with the idea of being in agreement with him) these bankers wouldn't have any contract if the state, the taxpayer, hadn't bailed out their failed business.
Retrospective TUPE change to contracts due to major new shareholder/business owner and fcuk their fcuking bonuses. Parasites.
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Post by wetkingcanute on Feb 10, 2009 11:19:18 GMT
This is fun!
I agree with Tarrant & Omni.
This 'story' is a fabrication by the Sun.
"ok guys lets get Human Rights; Bankers and Bonuses in one big f**k-off headline!!
YEEEEHAAAAA we've done it!"
And, much as I'd like to shot the fcukers, if the bonus system is in a contract you can't just take it away.
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Post by flatandy on Feb 10, 2009 11:22:20 GMT
You can sack the lot of them and offer them jobs earning £20k pa or go and find another job in that vibrant banking sector, though, WKC.
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Post by mids on Feb 10, 2009 11:25:20 GMT
I say fcuk their contracts too. Let them go to court. If we lose, we lose but at least we'll have done the right thing.
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