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Post by ricklinc on Feb 12, 2009 13:41:47 GMT
Garfield and McKinley had the wrong kinds of press agent. If you can't parlay an assassination into martyrdom these days you don't qualify for the Alistar Campbell Award For Spin And Perception Management.
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VikingHumpingWitch
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 12, 2009 13:42:17 GMT
Pissing myself laughing. Do you really not know that?
For futher clarity, I find it hilarious that you think it more probable that one of the world's leading experts on evolutionary biology has got Darwin wrong than that you might have misunderstood the theories. Particularly given that your misunderstanding is so basic that even I can grasp that far.
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 12, 2009 13:43:33 GMT
"But it has to be pointed out that many people seemingly, know the points but have still completely failed to grasp the principal.
From a previous thread that would seem to include several members of this site and Prof Dawkins "
Hehehe. POTW.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 13:45:27 GMT
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Post by ricklinc on Feb 12, 2009 13:49:20 GMT
Åéñùíåßá ëåéôïõñãåß ìüíï áí ìéëÜìå ôçí ßäéá ãëþóóá Found on a cave wall in Lichenstein above an ancient painting of two men buggering a dead goat. |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 13:52:51 GMT
Sorry, #23 was originally a cut and paste. Sadly, this site doesn't do Greek characters. I've modified it as a jpeg image
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Post by bertrus2 on Feb 12, 2009 15:13:43 GMT
I find it hilarious that you think it more probable that one of the world's leading experts on evolutionary biology has got Darwin wrong than that you might have misunderstood the theories.
The complacent arrogance of complete ignoramuses is truly amazing. Granted, we'd all be very, very quiet if we only commented on things we knew about. However, a bit of humility is required and a lot less of 'What would one of the world's leading experts know about this?'
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 12, 2009 15:16:18 GMT
On the other hand, there's a fair whack of amusement value here. Has the misinformed Professor returned comment on your analysis of What Darwin Actually Said, Contrary To All Known Opinion On The Matter yet Tarrant?
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 16:40:05 GMT
I don't personally believe the Prof is mistaken. I'm pretty sure he know what he's on about and knows what he's said.
The Prof has deliberately made the comment to mislead.
Most people know the basics of Einstein, for example. Most people can recite one of the implications. Very few understand Relativity. Their acceptance is based upon their trust in Einstein and others who apparently understand his idea.
Equally, while Evolution is simpler to understand than relativity, it still requires a change in thinking.
Most people haven't taken that step. It seems few if any on this board have. Most trust evolution because someone says its right rather than knowing for themselves.
It seems apparent that the Prof knows that. It seems further apparent that the Prof has ulterior motives.
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 12, 2009 16:42:18 GMT
Wow. Wish I had a brain so amazingly vast and all-knowing that I, and apparently only I, could unfold the inner secrets of Darwinian theory. It must be awful knowing you're the only one who gets it, and having the entire rest of the world thinking you're just a bit of a wally who thinks he's a lot smarter than he is.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 16:49:55 GMT
On the other hand, there's a fair whack of amusement value here. Has the misinformed Professor returned comment on your analysis of What Darwin Actually Said, Contrary To All Known Opinion On The Matter yet Tarrant? As I have said, I don't personally believe he is misinformed. I doubt he will. I have however had responses from the polling company ComRes and from Theos, who commissioned the poll. I currently am waiting for further information from Theos. It would seem that you, on the other hand, are content to swallow any garbage from almsot anyone provided they can produce some title that turns you on. Sad. |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 16:51:32 GMT
Wow. Wish I had a brain so amazingly vast and all-knowing that I, and apparently only I, could unfold the inner secrets of Darwinian theory. It must be awful knowing you're the only one who gets it, and having the entire rest of the world thinking you're just a bit of a wally who thinks he's a lot smarter than he is. It would be if that were true. It would be pathertic if I had made such a claim. Sadly, it seems that you are now resorting to sarchasm and insults which suggests you don't have any counter. Sad. |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 12, 2009 16:55:06 GMT
I "countered" extensively on the previous thread, as did everyone else - you are the ONLY person who thinks Darwinian natural selection "is all about chance." The only one - not just on this board, but in the world at large. You think Dawkins doesn't understand Darwinian theory. You do, but the world's leading experts haven't quite caught up with you yet.
I find that hilarious beyond all measure.
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Post by skyways on Feb 12, 2009 17:00:53 GMT
Not sure you can claim Lincoln as a giant of Western civilization on the basis of the abolition of slavery. For a start the UK had got round to it decades previously, in which case William Wilberforce must be even gianter. Also Lincoln only used the abolition bill because of political expediency, he probably would have gone with the slavers if he'd been on the South's side |
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 17:05:29 GMT
No, anyone who understand evolution, whether it's on a macro scale such as the universe or on a small scale such as life know that it is all chance. Einstein initially rejected this and later said it was the biggest mistake of his life. Took me several months to get my head around it. There is no intent. I sincerely dount I'm the only one on here who understand the principal. I am, probably the only one on here prepared to stand up to the likes of you however. (Possibly because I think you're rether cute  ) |
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Post by VikingHumpingWitch on Feb 12, 2009 17:10:48 GMT
Took you several months but the likes of Professor Dawkins, who has dedicated his life's work to studying evolutionary biology, still hasn't managed to get to your lofty position and still thinks natural selection is the absolute opposite of chance.
Well, I'm either stunned by your brilliance, or laughing my face off at your arrogance. You guess.
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Post by tarrant on Feb 12, 2009 17:33:18 GMT
Took you several months but the likes of Professor Dawkins, who has dedicated his life's work to studying evolutionary biology, still hasn't managed to get to your lofty position and still thinks natural selection is the absolute opposite of chance. I don't believe he does think that. But that is what he's said. Our society saw a similar situation to this in the middle ages when the Roman Church made extraordinary claims about what was in the Bible. They got away with it simply because most people had no access to the information. Now we have the likes of this Prof and numerous others making increasingly preposterus claims backed by the status of their jobs rather than facts. People such as yourself seem to swallow it all, so willingly. But just so we are perfectly clear. I will reiterate the point which the Prof said was nonsense and which you seem to accept. The motivating force causing evolutionary change is the chance mutation of genes. No intent. Nothing else. Just chance mutations occasionally producing an advantagous change in the organism making it fitter in the fight for survival. |
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 12, 2009 17:42:07 GMT
No, anyone who understand evolution, whether it's on a macro scale such as the universe or on a small scale such as life know that it is all chance. Einstein initially rejected this and later said it was the biggest mistake of his life. For a pontificating, pompous know-it-all, Tarrant apparently doesn't know that Einstein's "biggest blunder" was believing in the "Cosmological constant", and frittering years of his life trying to incorporate it in his equations, and has nothing to do with evolution. |
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Post by omnipleasant on Feb 12, 2009 17:43:33 GMT
Haha I was about to point that out Martel.
Tarrant sounds like he's - how should I put this - quite young. But I don't think he is.
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Post by Charles Martel on Feb 12, 2009 17:45:16 GMT
It shows you have not even read his book. Dawkins does NOT dispute evolution is due to the chance mutation of genes. No serious evolution biologist do. Try borrowing "The Selfish Gene" from the library and reading the first few chapters.
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