Britain capitulates to muslim threat - - -

[luckysprite]

'wilders knew he would get sent back'

Says it all really. What would him being here have changed? The film was still shown was it not? ah yes...publicity for him, which he still got and is the actual reason for his visit, and the chance to oh look.... incite racial hatred.... perhaps they were right after all eh... who'd a though it..

[lala]

I will admit there is some syndrome or paradox that any cause that Bono endorses automatically becomes worthless and tired. Soon as he starts flouncing about in a Burqua and wailing in Arabic, I'll know this whole Islam thing is as bad as SS makes out.

[thenomad]

Well he achieved a couple of things:

He demonstrated the cowardice of the oen eyed Scots idiot.
He gained much publicity for his film
He demonstrated how "free speech" in the UK can be stamped on if any Muslims threaten violence.

[limeylily]

Feb 13, 2009 8:58:18 GMT mids said:

There seems to be an assumption on the far left that the Cloggie bloke and various M*zzie preachers are exactly equally hate-speech-filled and therefore if you allow one you must allow the other or if you ban one you must ban the other. Is it true that there is this exact equivalence on the hate scale?

There doesn't appear to be seeing as how Ken Livingstone's Muslim terrorist supporting mates were entertained at County Hall, at Council Taxpayers' expense.

[lala]

There has only every been limited free speech in the UK. Only fools pretend otherwise. So some Dutch twit got to do a half-arsed martyr show and the usuual suspects in the Telegraph and Melamin Bloody Phillips got all hysterical and puffed up about it - don't recall her supporting Dr Hook's right to free speech - so f**k**g what?

[thenomad]

Yes but remember Livingstone has always been soft on terrorists.

Wilders warns of danger from Islam and its death cults so he must be banned.

Muslim terrorists with an invite from politicians- well the tax payer can support them.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

According to the Beeb, about 80 people identified as "preachers of hate" are currently barred from the UK. I look forward to jonren, Sweet Soul, Limeylilly and others demonstrating their commitment to free speech by demanding the right for these extremist Muslims (cos I bet they are) to come to the UK and openly put forward their views etc. and so on.

[lala]

THose 80 martyrs have given us a chance, a chance to realise we've given in to fear and lost the most precious thing of all, our liberty and our courage.

Oh, that was two most precious things.

Stuff it.

[thenomad]

Yes but there is a difference VHM. The Muslim ones do actually call for violence and for the murder of those who fail to surrender and bow down to their death cult.

Wilders was only banned because the death cult threatened violence if he visited. hence I understand that there are limits on "fee" speech, but I also know craven cowardice when I see it too.

[lala]

Wilders was only banned because the death cult threatened violence if he visited.

Speculation being presented as fact. Maybe Mong just thought he looked like a dick and didn't want him in the country. Which is fair enough.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well in fairness, the al-Qaradawi bloke was banned for his views on gayness being a disease, as far as I know. He wasn't actually saying that gays should be killed.

[luckysprite]

Problem is Nomad - follow the logic. They do let this guy come in and say whatever he wants, there are riots, clashes, deaths (women and children, police, old ladies etc)... what do people say then..

Government shouldn't have allowed it to happen - they knew they would kick off - outrage etc etc etc..

At least this way all that happens is one Dutch guy gets his 15 minutes and there are a few wet panties form the 'look what's happened to our civil liberties and free speech' brigade...

[thenomad]

So cowardice should always be the first option?

Why not just surrender now then. Get all the women into their burkhas and locked up in the homes of their masters?

No wet pants here Sprite - I leave that to the cowards who are now running scared of the Muslim extremists.

[lala]

You mean the (potential) Muslim hate-splutterers 80 on the banned list ahead of clog-boy? Yeah, special breaks for M*zzies allt he way. They always get preferential treatment. How many Christian fundies get banned? NONE. It's bleedin' unfair, these M*zzies get the best of everything.

[luckysprite]

Feb 13, 2009 10:16:46 GMT thenomad said:

So cowardice should always be the first option?

Why not just surrender now then. Get all the women into their burkhas and locked up in the homes of their masters?

No wet pants here Sprite - I leave that to the cowards who are now running scared of the Muslim extremists.

What do you want them to do Nomad - slaughter muslims on the streets just to satisfy bloodlust? Or allow Muslims to cause riots just so you can say 'I tild you so'?

Surely the best cure is prevention?

[ricklinc]

Speaking of muslims versus gays for minority rights supremacy, this was on the MPACUK comments about the Wilders banning.

David: Quote

I really do not understand why you muslims consider you are persecuted in Europe. No-one likes you, but that is due to your behaviour. You are certainly not persecuted.

If you want an example of REAL persecution then take the situation of gays here in Britain.

I mean islam is legal in Britain, unlike homosexuality until 1967 (and only grudgingly thereafter).

More than 2 of them may practice their whatever it is they do together in a room and not be breaking the law.

Muslims don't have to be over 21 to practice their whatever it is they practice.

Muslims may join the merchant navy.

Muslims may join the foreign office and pursue a career overseas representing her majesty's govt.

Muslims may publish contact magazines to find other muslims to meet with and not have these seized and shut down and the editors arrested for obscenity.

Muslims can openly join the Armed Forces in the UK.

Muslims are not driven to suicide en masse due to persecution.

Muslims are not denied full citizenship rights of the UK (as gays effectively were until the Blair govt).

I could add to the list.

Makes you think and wonder though, doesn't it, how if gays had resorted to violence back in the 50s how much more quickly would full equality have been achieved???

(7) 2009-02-12 18:31:01

Place your votes for victim of the month.

[jonren]

Vox, you seem confused when I defend free speech. I will make it clear. If an extreme racist wanted to visit this country and preach Death to all muslims. Kill them and their children where ever they are etc etc etc. I would be the first to demand that he or she be banned from entry. Nowhere have I lent support to anyone calling for the death of another group. Preaching hatred is already agaainst our laws. The Dutchman was showing a film exposing the preaching of death to infidels.
Please, do not use false analogies when quoting anything I say. I have said often that islam openly preaches violence TO ALL INFIDELS, that includes you and I. I call for no more muslims to be allowed to enter the UK. I admit that quite openly. I do not call for the death of all muslims just as I do not call for the death of all Jews, Hindus, Sikhs or Christians. ISLAM PREACHES DEATH TO ALL THE AFOREMENTIONED. If the foregoing is not crystal clear I will be happy to explain further. As our laws make clear, very clear, free speech is not wide open to abuse. I remain within and support these laws.

It is not very secret that imams are still spewing hate from certain mosques, Our police have been 'advised' to tread carefully. Our authorities are guilty of tacit approval. I call that APPEASEMENT and craven cowardice. We will live to regret that stance.

[ricklinc]

So that's where EiT has been hiding.

[lala]

Wilders sounds like he is channelling PK:

"My message to the British Government is that I am sad that the ghost of Chamberlain still resides in Britain instead of the ghost of Churchill. I would say to [Britain], even if you don't like me, even if you don't like my thoughts, be brave and defend freedom of speech. If you don't then you are weak and you are cowards."

(www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/how-the-flying-dutchman-was-stopped-in-his-tracks-1608211.html)

He'll be raving about the multi-headed hydra next.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Ah ok jonren, thank you for clarifying - you support free speech as long as it is something you agree with. I kind of thought that would be the case.