Britain capitulates to muslim threat - - -

[jonren]

"Ah ok jonren, thank you for clarifying - you support free speech as long as it is something you agree with. I kind of thought that would be the case"- - - - - VHW

That is simply childish. The spewing of hate filled calls for death IS NOT FREE SPEECH. I have already explained that. Now, what don't you understand? Please don't do a Vania on me. I am not well versed in stupid semantics.

Sorry! Van, you were the best example I could think of.

[VikingHumpingWitch]

Well incitement to hatred is covered by laws, and if that's what they've decided this film is then for consistency you should agree it IS NOT FREE SPEECH and you should be opposed to it being shown.

Of course, you don't agree it is incitement to hatred, therefore your respect for free speech within our laws is out the window, and you support his right to say it because you agree with it.

I agree that you're being a bit childish but in fairness, I think most people hold the same view (i.e. free speech is essential right up to the point that someone says something I don't like).

[jonren]

That is not what the government decided. Have you watched the film? If you do so all will be clear. Wilders is not inciting anyone to be violent. I trust that there are not other people on here arguing about a film THEY HAVE NOT SEEN. If so, I am shocked but NOT SURPRISED>

[sweet soul]

Wilders should be invited back and given freedom of speach. He wasnt calling for death to anyone or race. To deny him for fear of offending is mental and gives a bad image of the UK to the world. We appear appeasing and weak. We will regret being in fear of exposing the koran and its links to terrorism. Wilders came yerterday to showed us our weaknesses.

[radge]

This is the biggest pile of crap ever. I do see this as not allowing free speech. The laws that create this idea of hate speech not being allowed arent their to stop hate speech they are their so they can "quieten" those the government think should be silenced. It is a large chunck out of our freedoms, it may not directly affect any of us on here today, but give it 50 years and alot more control over the people buy the government and people like you and me will be having some serious issues in talking about what we want to and saying what we want to. This site will be shut down for a start, or just certain individuals would be tracked and silenced. The hate speech laws preventing them are one of the most disgusting new laws that put us on an inevitable path.

[sweet soul]

He was invited by a ukip member to a private showing of fitna. He was banned cos of fear.
We lose. No win. Unless he is brought back and allowed.

[lala]

Of course he's fricking well inciting anti-Islamic sentiment, selecting and presenting information and images likely to provoke that response in the film's audience. Lets stop being children here, dancing about squealing, "Because he doesn't say 'M*zzies R evul,' that isn't the idea he's trying to putt across." Because it is. Only liars, hypocrites and children pretend otherwise. You can agree with his idea or not, but don't try to pretend it isn't there.

[jonren]

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[radge]

the point is lala, so what if he is? I dont care if anyone incites hatered to anyone, because only the weak will act on a weak point of view. The hate speech laws are absolute bullsh!t and they should be banned, not the hate speech speakers. Plus anyone who is anti religion of any kind should be allowed to speack to wake up the stupid to the reality religion is a personal thing, and should affect only those wanting to be involved in that religion.

[tarrant]

This kinda sums it really.

Feb 13, 2009 8:52:46 GMT VikingHumpingWitch said:

You support free speech and think that this Dutch lad should be allowed to come and speak her on the grounds of free speech. But you don't like the fact that the mosques are preaching hate. Does free speech apply only to non-Muslims, only to the Dutch, or only to things you agree with?

This is the problem with freedoms of any kind, that they apply to those we don't like as much as those we do.

But the reasons for banning this guy is that he is actively attempting to incite annomosity toward a not insignificant sention of the population of this country.

[sweet soul]

Lala. It was to be a private showing ok?
He was invited.
Hes done no wrong.

[sweet soul]

Its like saying ban snow white and the 7 dwarfs cos it may offend dwarfs who may protest!
No. You cant ban a simple film, harmless tho informative simply cos you may not like it.

[jonren]

Someone said earlier that Wilders being banned was correct as prevention was best in the face of expected violence. Lord Ahmad denies saying he would put ten thousand muslims outside parliament. His lawyers are investigating. No matter, I found myself agreeing that prevention is good. That is, until I remembered a British PM waving a piece of paper promising peace. The poor deluded man seriously thought he was preventing a war.

If his Lordship DID IN FACT utter that threat, I assume he was referring to ten thousand peaceful muslims. You know, the type we hear so much about in this forum.

I cannot think of an instance in British history where appeasement succeeded.

[auldhippy]

If on Wednesday a worried Prime Minister, faced with the prospect of appearing before the Common's Select Committee when his appointed FIA advisor had resigned miniutes before today's PM's Question Time, needed a way to have the consequent bad press relegated to second or even third story on all the networks, then banning a Euro MP might seem the ideal way to instantly achieve that aim.

[sweet soul]

Im on a roll dont u reckon ! :-D

[unclejunior]

Its a wonder that Lord Ahmed has the time to concern himself with these matters when he should be putting his affairs in order before he gets locked up for manslaughter next week.unless of course he is going to mobilse his 10 000 peacenicks to overthrow his sentence.

[jonren]

I know I should not laugh but I am. If some on this board had been in the police in 1940, they would have arrested Churchill for inciting hatred against a sovereign European nation. Thank God, we were made of sterner stuff then. Get down on your knees appeasers, the strong will look after you, as usual.

[sweet soul]

Ban appeasment now!

[radge]

Prevention of what "could" happen can be very dangerous ground. Think the movie Minority report.

[jonren]

Oldhippy,you may have a point.


Btw, people. Check your newspaper polls saying whether Wilders should have been allowed in, or not. With me asking, I take it you will have guessed the results.

As Gorbals Mick might say, I think the ayes have it.