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Post by voice on Aug 18, 2014 18:25:05 GMT
the idea of that happening to the Ausy sex pest when he worked so hard kept himself in the public gaze is risible. We know what Bush did, but it was unlikely in the extreme for them to black bag Assange.
Had he not been a fugitive from justice, hiding in some broom closet, I have no doubt he'd be a free many gracing our airways at every opportunity, as is his want. He needs to man up and face the brutalities on the Swedish criminal justice system, if he's innocent as you always say he was he'll be free, if he's a nasty sex pest he gets locked up. Frankly I doubt anyone really care that much about him, he's done a far better job at obscuring himself than any one in authority could have dreamed of.
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Post by bertruss2 on Aug 18, 2014 19:13:34 GMT
if he's innocent as you always say he was he'll be free
I've no idea if he is likely to be found guilty of Swedish rape or not. It's a charge that casts its net rather wide and I've never, let alone always, said that he is bound to avoid legal penalties. I believe the situation is that he has not actually been charged with any crime and the issue is at the investigating stage. If that's so, the Swedish authorities should surely have been able to conclude the preliminaries and make a decision whether or not Assange has any charges to face.
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Post by voice on Aug 18, 2014 19:16:57 GMT
Look I know you've had a hard on for this guy for years Bert but I'm not about to re-hash this entire thread again by going over every nuance of the thing, I'm not inclined to play that game, I'll leave that to the obsessives.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 19, 2014 11:24:37 GMT
He's already faced the enquiries once. Sweden can conduct the interview here.
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Post by lala on Aug 19, 2014 17:43:33 GMT
Equally, he can go to Sweden to answer serious allegations of sexual misconduct. Or do women not matter so much in your world?
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2014 13:16:40 GMT
Equally, he can go to Sweden to answer serious allegations of sexual misconduct. Or do women not matter so much in your world? Strange phrasing. Unless you already consider him guilty of sexual assault. |
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Post by lala on Aug 20, 2014 18:07:50 GMT
You understand what 'allegations' means?
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2014 19:48:31 GMT
Your comment on "women not mattering much".
Strange phrasing unless you consider him guilty (with use of the word "allegation" thrown in as a sop).
If the alleged victims were men would you have asked "or don't men matter much?"
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Post by voice on Aug 20, 2014 20:40:43 GMT
I just wonder why you think Assange is so special they have to come to him when in every other case I can think of the suspect goes, or is taken, to gets questioned to some place of justice or policing?
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Post by Repat Van on Aug 20, 2014 21:29:47 GMT
I just wonder why you think Assange is so special they have to come to him when in every other case I can think of the suspect goes, or is taken, to gets questioned to some place of justice or policing? You mean OH? |
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Post by bertruss2 on Aug 20, 2014 22:13:27 GMT
It's not that specialness of Assange personally that is the issue but the very obvious political dimensions of the case.
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Post by lala on Aug 21, 2014 7:45:30 GMT
The political dimensions of his decision to have unlawful sex?
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Post by bertruss2 on Aug 21, 2014 10:16:37 GMT
You memory is failing. You knew the meaning of 'allegations' not long ago.
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 21, 2014 11:13:47 GMT
Equally, he can go to Sweden to answer serious allegations of sexual misconduct. Or do women not matter so much in your world? Just as equally Sweden can go ask him questions here. It's not an unusual occurrence. He is not avoiding questioning he is avoiding questioning in Sweden. He has answered questions once, was cleared once, he sought and received permission to leave and he has every reason to fear ongoing extradition. |
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 21, 2014 11:15:15 GMT
I just wonder why you think Assange is so special they have to come to him when in every other case I can think of the suspect goes, or is taken, to gets questioned to some place of justice or policing? It's not an unusual occurrence. He has faced the questions in Sweden once. |
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Post by voice on Aug 21, 2014 17:55:30 GMT
bollox, its not exactly standard practice to question rape suspects in the comfort of their own home (proof this happens all the time is no where I could find, perhaps you can enlighten us), they get brought in for questioning, again what is so special about Assange that you feel the investigators need to come to him?
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Post by lala on Aug 21, 2014 18:25:37 GMT
You memory is failing. You knew the meaning of 'allegations' not long ago. That he had sex in an unlawful manner is not disputed by either side, as he initiated intercourse with a sleeping woman (unlawful) in a manner he had reason to think she would not consent to (without a condom) and this meets the legal definition for rape in English law, and some form of sexual offence in Sweden. The question is whether the Swedish version of the CPS will decide to proceed with charges, given the circumstances of this individual case. But it is unlawful, in Sweden and England, to stick your dick into a woman without her consent and without having good reason to think she would freely consent to it. Assange has already admitted he did that. |
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Post by auldhippy on Aug 22, 2014 16:15:57 GMT
in a manner he had reason to think she would not consent to
This is what makes those "admissions" useless at least until tested in a court of law. It is a very subjective term open to a multitude of interpretations. Turns out he's a sleeze bag but that's the risk you run hopping into bed with folk you've only met that day but it's also entirely possible he jumped into bed with sleeze bags too or with folk who only get upset enough to involve the police when they learn of each others' existence. Without a clear cut court conviction you really are premature with your personal convictions.
He's been questioned, he was released, he sought & got permission to leave, only after some very US favoured intervention was the case re-opened, he has every reason to fear onward extradition reinforced by the preference for multi millions in "security" over the possibly 10k option of questioning him in situ.
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Post by Minge är en jävla besserwisser on Mar 13, 2015 10:12:37 GMT
Ah, his holing out strategy becomes clear. Statute of limitations:
Swedish prosecutors have offered to travel to London to question Wikileaks founder Julian Assange over sex assault allegations.
Sweden sought Mr Assange's arrest in 2010. Prosecutors had previously insisted on questioning him in Sweden.
Mr Assange denies the assault claims and has been living at the Ecuadorean embassy in London since 2012.
He fears that if he is sent to Sweden he could then be extradited to the US to face charges over leaking material.
A lawyer for Mr Assange, Per Samuelson, welcomed the move. "This is something we've demanded for over four years," he told the Associated Press news agency.
A Swedish prosecutor explained the change of strategy by saying potential charges against Mr Assange would expire under the statute of limitations in August.m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-31867829Skulk away for long enough and it all goes away. |
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Post by bertruss2 on Mar 13, 2015 10:38:36 GMT
Strange you've given a link to an article and haven't bothered to read it yourself.
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