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Post by happyhammerhead on Apr 19, 2024 6:07:36 GMT
You sure have it easier...
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 19, 2024 6:15:42 GMT
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Post by mids on Apr 21, 2024 9:35:17 GMT
I see Kemi is one of the Greatest Living Britons. "Kemi Badenoch has developed a habit of truth telling. This is risky in our climate of rigid cultural orthodoxy, for whose guardians ‘Truth is what you and people like you believe, and can compel others to accept,’ as the philosopher John Gray puts it. Those who tell truths that ‘you and people like you’ deny become targets. Ms Badenoch’s most recent foray into robust common sense occurred in a speech in the City, in which she said, among other things, that the changes that followed the Glorious Revolution of 1688, including the rule of law, led to a great expansion in financial services. She rejected the new orthodoxy that Britain’s ‘wealth and success’ were due to ‘colonialism’, ‘white imperialism’, ‘exploitation’ and ‘oppression.’ The historian William Dalrymple tweeted that Badenoch ‘needs to learn some history’. This sort of put-down sounds bad from a professional: to me, it translates as ‘I’m an expert: you keep quiet.’ As Ms Badenoch pointed out in her speech, blaming modern economic failures on ‘colonialism’ is a convenient excuse. Indian nationalists use it constantly. The Runnymede Trust also attacked Badenoch, insisting that ‘our church, media and financial systems are rooted in colonialism and slavery’. Such sweeping and vacuous allegations – if they are true of Britain, they must be true of every country – are the pretext for reparations demands running into billions. This gargantuan trough is attracting many snouts, not excluding academics. So there is far more at stake here than whether a particular minister – a computer engineer by training – needs to ‘learn some history’. Her claim that the Glorious Revolution began a great expansion in financial services is undeniable. Until then, Britain was financially chaotic. The modern history of the City can be dated from the creation by parliament of the Bank of England in 1694 – only six years after the Revolution. The City’s growth as a global financial centre, eclipsing Paris, Amsterdam and Frankfurt, was based on the need to finance war. But its ability to do so depended on international lenders believing that their money was legally protected from seizure or default. The believed it because the House of Commons controlled government finance. Thus the City built up the eco-system which still makes it unique. Foreign observers realised something new was happening. Voltaire observed that in the City peaceful money-making eclipsed religious hatred: only bankrupts, he joked, were treated as infidels. Here Ms Badenoch’s history is solid. But what of the indiscriminate accusation that Britain’s wealth came from slavery and colonial exploitation? This is archaic Marxist-Leninism, long rejected by serious economic historians, though resuscitated in the aftermath of ‘Black Lives Matter’. Long before its contacts with the non-European world England was a wealthy country, based on production of wool and cloth by English workers. In 1500 its per capita GDP was at a level only reached by China and India in the 1990s. By the reign of Elizabeth I, workers’ wages in London were at least four times higher than in Delhi or Peking. Prosperity and domestic consumption, along with education, the rule of law and of course coal, account for the accelerating economic development we call the Industrial Revolution. What of slavery and exploitation? In the 18th century, trade outside Europe was comparatively small, and slavery and its products a small part even of that – slaving profits barely reached 1 per cent of national income. France had a much larger slave-based trade than Britain, but could not industrialise. Neither could other slave-trading empires – Holland, Spain and Turkey, not to mention those in Africa and Asia. Nationalist propagandists claim that Britain grew rich by looting its empire. A Marxist historian recently accused Britain of ‘stealing’ $45 trillion from India. The leading Indian economic historian, Professor Tirthankar Roy, dismisses this as myth pandering to ‘an audience ready to believe horror stories about British colonialism without a fact check’. By 1900 India had the fourth largest textile industry in the world, and the fourth largest railway system. Roy points out that Indian workers and businesses operated throughout the empire, and for that reason were its staunch allies until the Great Depression of the 1920s. Where were those huge exploitative profits? Empire gave few if any exclusive benefits to Britain after the powerful free trade movement opened domestic and imperial markets. British taxpayers subsidised security and communications and kept empire taxes low. A queue of countries – including Corsica, Crete, Uruguay, Katanga, Fiji, Morocco, Sarawak, New Guinea and even Mexico – asked to join. Britain traded and invested in its empire, as it did with the rest of the world; but only from a peculiar ideological viewpoint is this ‘exploitation’. Kemi Badenoch is not a historian, but she clearly has more grasp of historical reality than many who are. www.spectator.co.uk/article/what-kemi-badenoch-gets-right-about-britains-economic-history/
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 21, 2024 10:36:26 GMT
Is she a historian?
*Checks, realises she is not*
Ignore.
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Post by mids on Apr 21, 2024 10:41:35 GMT
Did she write the article?
*Checks, realises she did not*
Foreground.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 21, 2024 13:32:30 GMT
William Dalrymple is great.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 21, 2024 13:33:42 GMT
Such sweeping and vacuous allegations – if they are true of Britain, they must be true of every country – are the pretext for reparations demands running into billions.
Oooooh! Spectacular nonsense.
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Post by flatandy on Apr 21, 2024 13:37:13 GMT
In fact, that's one of those articles that's brilliantly written in a way that it's impossible to pick apart - every paragraph is awash with bullshit, so you can't actually point to the one thing that's totally wrong: almost everything is wrong, or a straw man, or other bad faith nonense.
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Post by mids on Apr 21, 2024 14:24:00 GMT
Ah yes. The far extreme, far, far, far extreme left often seem to come across those types of articles.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 21, 2024 16:39:32 GMT
Is she a historian? *Checks, realises she is not* Ignore. Robert Tombs is an emeritus professor in history at the University of Cambridge
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Post by flatandy on Apr 21, 2024 22:35:58 GMT
Is Robert Tombs Kami Badenoch?
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Post by flatandy on Apr 21, 2024 23:33:09 GMT
And, if it needs saying, Tombs - despite not being Kemi Badenoch - is a complete f**k**g tool. Who hasn’t been an actual professor and therefore hasn’t had to think about his wibbling nonsense, for nearly a decade.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 22, 2024 4:51:14 GMT
Oh yeah, that's the way being an academic expert works. Only during office hours, eh?
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 22, 2024 4:55:28 GMT
Yer man, Dalrymple ....
"William Benedict Hamilton-Dalrymple is an India-based Scottish historian and art historian, as well as a curator, photographer, broadcaster and critic.[1] He is also one of the co-founders and co-directors of the world's largest writers' festival, the annual Jaipur Literature Festival.[2][3][4] He is currently a Visiting Fellow at All Souls College, Oxford."
Only visiting, eh?
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Post by mids on Apr 22, 2024 6:44:03 GMT
Tombs> Dalrymple.
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Post by perrykneeham on Apr 22, 2024 7:14:13 GMT
Trust FA to have a throbber for the posho dilettante poseur.
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 22, 2024 9:59:17 GMT
Is she a historian? *Checks, realises she is not* Ignore. Robert Tombs is an emeritus professor in history at the University of Cambridge Are you alleging that Kemi Badenoch is in fact, Robert Tombs in disguise?
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Post by mids on Apr 22, 2024 10:28:38 GMT
You're really quite mixed up, aren't you?
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Post by Repat Van on Apr 22, 2024 10:41:27 GMT
You're really quite mixed up, aren't you? You speaking into the mirror again?
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Post by mids on Apr 22, 2024 10:56:30 GMT
Are you Dorothy Parker?
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